Oatey Rogers Gwinear Warne Bendigo Crow

[Sssence]

Hi Folks

Just helping someone else out for a bit

Elizabeth Oatey b c1836 Gwinear died 1896 Bendigo Victoria Australia age 61
parents Peter Oatey and Ann Ingram

married Dec qtr 1855

Thomas Rogers b c 1835 Camborne
died Jun qtr 1879 Barrow in Furness

Thomas possible the son of Edward Rogers and Johanna Rule

children all born Gwinear

Martha Ann c 1855
John 1857
Mary Ann 1869
Thomas 1863
Edward James 1865
Joseph bpd 6 Feb 1867 The research line
Elizabeth/Bessy 1868
William 1871
Alice 1873

Some time after 1874 the family moved to Barrow in Furness
as Elizabeth is there in 1881 Census with Mary Ann, Thomas,
Edward J, Joseph, Elizabeth, William, and Alice.

In 1871 the family is at Gwinear with the father Thomas a preacher
and the children Martha Ann 15 Mary A 10 Thomas 8 James 6 Joseph 4 Bessy 2

possible marriage for Martha Ann Mar qtr 1876 Ulverston RD
to John Henry Juleff
She appears on the 1881 Census back in Gwinear but John Hy is not with her and she is not a widow.
She has James T 5 b Lancashire
Elizabeth M 4 b Durham and
Lilly 1 b Truro.
Could find nothing else on them

Possible other marriages for Elizabeth and Mary Ann in Ulverston RD area also but could not identify. Have not yet found them in Victoria.

Joseph Rogers
b 1867 Gwinear died 28 Nov 1927 Bendigo - emigrated c 1891
with his mother and at least 1 sister ?

married 1893 Ballarat Victoria
Elizabeth Ann Warne b 1870 Victoria

daughter of Francis Warne and Jane Ann Evans of Calstock
who emigrated c 1869/70 to Victoria

They all originally lived in an area called Long Gully in Bendigo.

Of the 9 children of Elizabeth and Joseph only 5 survived infancy
Joseph Wesley Rogers 1897 - 1981
Francis Warne Rogers 1908 - 1976
Edward James Rogers 1909

Clara Elizabeth Rogers 1905 - 1977
Florence May Rogers 1896 - 1965

Alice Rogers sister to Joseph married Charles Crow
1897 Victoria

their children

William Charles 1898
Elizabeth Mary 1901
Mary 1903
Nellie 1905
Thomas Daniel 1907

[Cornish Terrier]

Hi Sssence - I am not quite sure just what you are looking for here.

You have quite a bit of data and you mention Joseph as the 'research line' but there is nothing to say exactly what you are looking for or how we can help.

If you can elaborate a little I might be able to do something.

CT

[Sssence]

I just thought I would put it out there.

I have seen some Oatey stuff around the boards, and was not real sure of the Rogers origins, always difficult when you are doing work for others. Did not want to ask for anything specific, that might limit possibilities!

Curious that if Peter Oatey was Elizabeth's father, there is no child called Peter ? Someone may have more info on emigration or with connections to the older children. If the mother Elizabeth came to Australia, where were the rest of them ?

As the friend I am researching for knows little about her family, I also thought putting the info out may bring some living relatives who are also looking or who have additional info.

Feel free to jump in with anything that may seem relevant

As the families are in areas where my own ancestors come from there may also be some connection, though there seems to have been many people in a small area!

If you have something to expand on these people .. jump right in

Sssence in a currently DRY Qld

[Cornish Terrier]

Okay then - I don't have anything specific at the moment so will continue on with the other items I am working on.

I will keep an eye on this thread and if I come across anything useful will let you know.

CT

[kewesp]

Hi Sssence

Spotted your post re Francis Warne and Jane Ann Evans. They are my great grand parents. Elizabeth was their first child born in Bathhurst. The Family then moved to Sandhurst (now Bendigo). Francis and four of his children came to Western Australia in late 1890s. and joined the gold rush in the Menzies Kookynie area. Have lost track of Francis and all I know is he was deceased by 1902. Would appreciated any information either from Cornwall or of the family in Bendigo and Western Australia.

Cheers
Kew

[Cornish Terrier]

Elizabeth was their first child born in Bathhurst.

Kew - I am interested to know why you think Elizabeth was born at Bathurst?

The Victorian Pioneers Index lists the following children born to Francis Warne and Jane Ann Evans:-

ELIZABETH ANN 1870 Ballarat
William Evans 1871 Sandhurst
Francis John 1873 Sandhurst
Clara Evans 1874 Sandhurst
Emma Evans 1876 Sandhurst
Samuel James 1878 Sandhurst
Mary Ellen Evans 1880 Sandhurst
Eva Evelyn 1884 Sandhurst
Frederick Henry 1886 Sandhurst

CT

[kewesp]

Cornish Terrier - Thankyou for the the info you have verified my notes. You are correct Elizabeth was born in Ballarat. Dont know why I entered Bathhurst. Must have been the late hour. Kew

[Sssence]

Hi Kew

Frances Warne died at Long Gully VIC 16 Oct 1900
born 1847 Calstock DEV

Francis was the son of John Warne and Elizabeth Harris married 17 Mar 1836 Mary Tavy DEV

his siblings
James 1836
John 1839
Emanuel 1841
Josiah 1843 went to US - died 1898
Samuel 1851
Elizabeth Ann 1855

They apparently scattered around the globe ..

John died/buried 19 Sep 1859 Gunnislake Calstock age 48
Elizabeth was still in Calstock in 1861

John Warne b c 1813 was the second son of John Warne and Catherine Barratt of Mary Tavy in Devon

The research is for a friend so have mostly concentrated on the Australian connection and just took those that needed to be and were easily found back to UK. Not really investigated them any further than that.


Cannot say I agree with the birth of Elizabeth Ann at Bathurst.

If she was she was registered in Victoria in 1870.
The parents married Sep qtr 1869 so must have boarded ship almost immediately after the marriage.

Elizabeth Ann married Joseph Rogers 1893 Ballarat VIC and had 9 children

In WA

I have William Evans Warne to Adeline Eustace Thomas m 1902
Clara Evans Warne to Robert Edgar Skitch m 1900 Menzies
Francis John Warne to Lavinia Ann Berryman m 1898 VIC
Lavinia died 1898 in WA
Francis John then married Mary Henrietta Howlick (sp?) 1900 Menzies
Samuel James Warne to Amy Matilda Godfrey m 15 Sep 1903 Kookynie WA

Mary Ellen Evans Warne married Alfred Ernest Davey 1905 VIC
and died 1908 Bendigo

Eva Evelyn Warne b 1884 d 1908 VIC

Frederick Henry Warne b 1886 did not marry died 1967.
My friend met him at her 21st.

Emma Evans Warne b 1876 married John Pringle Reynolds at Goulburn 1910 .. could not see any children to them ?
She died 1944 and is buried at Lake Bathurst St Johns Church.

Jane Ann's parents
William Evans and Elizabeth Jane Prior also came to Aus and died at Goulburn William in 1915 and Elizabeth Jane in 1883

Elizabeth b c 1830 parents were Richard Prior and Jane Seccombe
married 1827 Calstock

William b 1828 Stoke Climsland parents William and Mary Ann and had a sister Ann b 1830 ..

I suspect there may be others who came just not had the time to look for any others.

My friend would love to hear from you - she is very light on for relatives and is greatly pleased that so many have surfaced.

Please stay in touch

Sssence

[kewesp]

Hi Sssence

Have just found time to return to the forum.

Thank you for the information you have provided. Elizabeth was born in Ballarat in 1870 - don't know the exact date - and not Bathurst as I incorrectly stated.

Francis and Jane were married at Tavistock Devon on 26/08/1869 and arrived in Australia in November 1869 aboard the 'Essex' so it seems it was straight from church to ship.

I am intrigued that you have found Francis died in 1900 at Long Gully. My sister and I with the help of staff of the Bendigo Family History centre did a search without any luck. Mystery continues to surround this gentleman and none of my older relations (all gone now)were ever able to throw any light on his demise.

I have copies of English census and some baptism records which I studied a few years ago and made notes on so will go over them again and see if my thoughts were right.

Interesting that your friend met Fredrick at her 21st. He was the only member of the family to serve overseas during WW1.

Thankyou again for the information you provided I will use it to fill a few gaps.

I would be happy to provide anything I can to your friend. I will post some info soon.

If come across any more about Francis please let me know it would be appreciated.

Look forward to hearing from you again.

Kew

[Cornish Terrier]

Kew - I can help with your query about the demise of Francis Warne.

www.bencemtrust.com.au/search.asp

This is the link for the website of the Bendigo Cemeteries Trust and should take you straight to the Search page.

Just enter Warne and initial F and you will find him.

In addition there is the information from the Victorian Federation Index which gives the following:-

Name: Francis Warne
Age: 53
Place of Death: Long Gully
Year: 1900
Father: John Warne
Mother: Elizth Harris
Registration Number:13519

CT

[kewesp]

Thank you CT this has cleared up the mystery. Following up on your information I have since obtained the copies of of the entries for Francis and Jane Ann in the Victorian Death Register. I don't know how far your expertise extends but I would like to establish when and how those of the family who came to Western Australia arrived. Is there some on-line site I may be able to go to. When I am next in Perth I hope to do a search of the shipping lists to see if they throw up anything.

Cheers
Kew

[Cornish Terrier]

G'day Kew - the one thing you could try as a start is the Public Record Office Victoria website.

www.access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/component/daPublicBaseContainer?component=daAccess&componentLabel=Access the Collection&breadcrumbPath=Home/Access the Collection

This link should take you to the best page to start from.

Look under 'I'm Interested In' on the left hand side of the page and then click on:-

PROV's digitised records and online indexes

Under PASSENGER LISTS click on the link for 'Index to Outward Passengers ....... '

This will present you with a Search Form.

Just fill in the surname 'Warne' and enter and you should get about 173 results.
You will find quite a number with the destination of Fremantle so just take a note of those and see if you can match then up with your family.
Unfortunately many are just recorded as 'Mr' or 'Mrs' or even just with their initial but you should be able to get an idea of the families by grouping all who sailed on the same vessel and same date.

You might also find the following useful:-

www.slwa.wa.gov.au/find/guides/wa_history/passenger_lists

And if you Google 'west australia passenger lists' you will find a few more options that might be worth investigating.

CT