getafish460
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Post by getafish460 on Jan 17, 2011 1:18:01 GMT -5
Hi all, and greetings, I've been looking for a while now and wonder if anyone out there can shed some light for me. The surnames I'm looking for are those listed above, all from the Illogan/Camborne/Redruth area, although the Pryor's seem to have started out in Mawgan-in-Meneage (Helston area) I've traced the Carpenter family back as far as John Carpenter (b.1791) who married Susanna Jelbert(Gilbert) (b.30 Nov 1788)of Illogan in 1808, she was the daughter of Andrew Gilbert and Mary ____ (?) The Sparnon family, I've traced as far back as 1655. Any help would be greatly appreciated, likewise any help I can forward to you would be freely and happily given..
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Post by bruce0609 on Sept 12, 2011 8:09:21 GMT -5
Hi Family search records the marriage of Andrew Gilbert to Mary George 27/10/1787 in Illogan. An Andrew GILBERD's bp is recorded there also 6/3/1757 in Illogan, s/o John and Amey. Bruce
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getafish460
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Post by getafish460 on Sept 27, 2011 11:54:12 GMT -5
Hi Bruce,
That'll be Amy DORMAN. I've got their marriage dated as Christmas Eve, 1746. I didn't manage to get any further than that though, came up against an acute lack of records. Things to attend to next time I'm in Cornwall, I suppose!!
Many Thanks
Ted
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 27, 2011 23:02:22 GMT -5
Ted - the following is taken from the CFHS Index of Illogan Marriages (pre-Civil Registration) and indicates the same was found in the Bishops Transcripts:-
John GILBERD (GILBERT in BTs) married Amy DORMAN 24th December 1746 Illogan
CT
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Post by bruce0609 on Dec 24, 2011 8:33:20 GMT -5
Could this John be the son of Thomas and Catherine bp Illogan 1705 ?If so he was quite old when married. Or ? Bruce
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 24, 2011 9:52:07 GMT -5
I cannot help on that one at the moment Bruce. My records now include the Illogan BMBs 1539-1699 but then I don't have anything until 1720 when the CFHS transcript of Baptisms commences. I am hoping to remedy that situation but unfortunately I don't know when that might happen. CT
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Post by bruce0609 on Dec 30, 2011 7:54:45 GMT -5
Thanks CT... I am always on the lookout for anything new. Bruce
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getafish460
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Post by getafish460 on Jan 17, 2012 12:20:20 GMT -5
G'Day Bruce, Just wondering, did you manage to get any more on Thomas and Catherine? I came up against a brick wall and, search as I might, I can't seem to make any headway. Just wondering if you'd anything to get me started again? Appreciate the help Ted
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 17, 2012 19:53:01 GMT -5
Ted - another case of 'curious spelling' involved!
Thomas JULBART married Catherine (surname not recorded) 17th June 1704 at Illogan
Source - CFHS Marriage Index
Another:-
John JULBART married Elizabeth (not recorded) 1st July 1704 at Illogan
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Richard JELBORT married Elizabeth (not recorded) 29th January 1710 at Illogan
I think it would be fair to say that we may be dealing with sibilings here. These appear to be the only male marriages for this name (spelled with 'J' instead of 'G') at Illogan until 1798.
If we look prior to 1738 with the surname beginning with 'G' then we have these at Illogan:-
William GILBERT married Abigail 31st October 1668 John GILBERT married Jane 20th December 1684 Richard GILBART married Margrit 9th August 1715
Given there is only 16 years between the marriage of William and Abigail and that of John and Jane I would think that these are not father and son although John may be responsible for at least some of those married in the years after 1700.
And with these being the only apparent marriages for the families recorded it would appear that they may not have originated at Illogan.
It is also interesting to note that there are no female marriages for these families prior to 1733, 1735 and 1736 after which there is a void until 1752, 1755 and then 1767 after which they become a little more regular. This might be further indication that the family was from elsewhere.
CT
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getafish460
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Post by getafish460 on Jan 18, 2012 12:59:23 GMT -5
Thanks once more CT!!! I now have no idea where to even start looking for where they might have come from. I agree that it looks suspiciously like they came from other pastures. But at least I'll have a bit of fun trying to see if there's an immediate family link between them. regards as always Ted
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 19, 2012 1:12:23 GMT -5
Have you checked the Jelbart Society records to see if there is any mention?? Otherwise start close to Illogan and work away from there. CT
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getafish460
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Post by getafish460 on Jan 19, 2012 17:33:06 GMT -5
i didn't even know there was a Jelbart society!!?? Thanks for the tip Ted
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 19, 2012 20:23:56 GMT -5
You will find some mention of it in the Illogan Section here but otherwise just Google for 'jelbart society' and you will find it quite easily. CT
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getafish460
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Post by getafish460 on Jan 20, 2012 0:22:45 GMT -5
Muchos Gracias mi amigo!! Takk Kaerlega, Vielen Dank, Dank u Vel, Domo Arigato,Merci, Sucran,Ta very much, etc,etc,........... Ted
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Post by zibetha on Jan 20, 2012 3:07:37 GMT -5
Well, merci bien, Ted, but what just for us spectators, what does your last comment mean in terms of what you may have discovered?
Curious and still figuring thing out---
Zib
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