I research the Bartle/Barkle family and have charted out three lines to 1700 and before without being able to link them. Yours?/this line I name the Gwinear line, mine, Crowan, and with another based in Camborne.
I have the Ann Hockin/g who married William Bartle as daughter of Amey and John Hockin (son of Oliver Hockin and Faith Symonds.)
I believe Amey was the daughter of Bartholomew Hockin/g and Ann Harris who was the daughter of Thomas Harris and Margery Vivian. That leads to old families like Harris and Whita and Cock and Hockin that were the subject of Kathie Weigel's and Dave Hockin's work that lead me to this board.
RE: Thomas Trewhella's farmhands in 1841, one was John Bray whose son, Joseph, married Louisa Alma Pooley, niece of my great X 3 grandfather, Henry Semmons (husband of Mary Bartle, daughter of Ralph Bartle grocer in Helston and Mary Warren.)
Looking forward to linking this all up, Zib
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Another connection on the "Gwinear line" that interests me is James Bartle who married Prudence Taylor (see the Kerthen Wood topic that is one of my favorites!) Prudence was the daughter of (cousins) William Taylor and Prudence Hocking. Prudence Hocking was the daughter of Thomas Hocking and Sarah/Sally Taylor. I think my Gx3 grandfather Henry Semmons' mother, Jennifer TAYLOR Semmons, was Sarah/Sally's sister, but beyond naming patterns, I don't have evidence/proof of that yet.
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Post by joejohnheath on Jun 28, 2014 16:05:26 GMT -5
I was born in La Crosse, WI. That's not too far away from you. All of my family is still in the Midwest, a few around/in Minneapolis. I'm still not positive if I found the right family for William. I've been looking for a few years, but just spotted the newspaper clipping the other day. It was really nice to get a clue like that! The only problem is that there seems to be a lot of Williams with Johns as the fathers. In Winona, MN, there is a line of Bartles from Germany. I had not considered Bartle a German name before I found it in the local newspapers as such. It adds another level of complication. :-) I know that mine are not German, but William and John are popular "Americanized" German names, so searches around Winona/Trempealeau often come up with those from the other line.
Post by joejohnheath on Jun 28, 2014 16:15:10 GMT -5
Another one of my leads was in Clayton, Yorkshire. On familysearch.org, James and Hannah Bartle have a son named William born just one day off from my William. Unless James went by John, that wouldn't really make any sense though with the newspaper article I found naming William's father as John.
I haven't done a lot of work expanding this family group, but when John Bartle died in 1865, administration of his estate was granted to his widow, Sarah. At the time, a number of his children were still alive. I don't think this fits with the scenario in the article you shared -- indicating that a sister inherited.
I did find a Wesleyan baptism for a William, son of John and Sarah, in July of 1823. He was born in May. I think that may be a better match than "your" William. What is the source of the date of birth you have?
There is no lack of Bartles in the Yorkshire area, and I suspect the Sheffield clue might lead you in that direction. If we can get far enough back, we'll all be related anyway
Post by calswimmer on Jun 30, 2014 10:31:17 GMT -5
Yes, all the above info mentioned by the new posters checks out as far as I can tell. Josiah appears to have married twice. I have not verified everything I have seen, but he is said to have died in Michigan in 1859, and married a second time to Elizabeth Thomas, who died in Enmore, NSW, Australia--I don't know if that is true. This is all very useful and the family can be put together. Ironically, I was able to eliminate my genetic connection to these Bartles, although, who knows, I may still be related in some other way as the original towns are where my ancestors were.
Post by joejohnheath on Jun 30, 2014 10:31:40 GMT -5
I also am leaning towards this being the wrong William. The only source that I know of for the exact dates is the biography that I posted. It does have other errors in it though, so it is a good possibility that the dates may be off. It sure is difficult when so many people have the same names. :-)