Post by calswimmer on Dec 18, 2010 14:51:49 GMT -5
OK: I have found a relative (through autosomal DNA!) who has ancestors that must be close to mine. So I will check if anyone is familiar with these folks as I begin my big search to fine the common ancestor and hopefully break a brick wall or two. Gwinear, and also Phillack and St. Austell seem to be the locations, but also Somerset. The names are John Bartle of Gwinear, born 1825, married to Mary Mitchell, daughter of Henry and Elizabeth (Towells) possibly of Somerset. John Bartle is son of John Bartle and Sarah Saundercock, and the senior John Bartle is son of John Bartle and Ann Hockin. Placing this Ann Hockin will probably be helpful. I am checking the resources, but if anyone has hints, send them please!
Last Edit: Dec 18, 2010 14:52:35 GMT -5 by calswimmer
Post by calswimmer on Dec 18, 2010 23:19:14 GMT -5
Well. I see that the children of John Bartle and wife Mary Mitchell, who moved to Mineral Point, Wisconsin by the 1850s, were named Bartholomew and Theodosius, which I see by perusing posts here, are names in a Hocking family--probably a nice clue there. I hope so.
Post by calswimmer on Dec 19, 2010 11:06:00 GMT -5
Thanks! You are correct about William. I had that name mixed up. Ann Hockin was born 1773, so she would be the right age to be daughter of Bartholomew Hockin, son of Bartholomew and Theodosius. Josiah also went to Wisconsin. Somehow this line is related to mine, which is Penberthy, Thomas, Nicholas, Bawden, Cottay, Ninnes, Penglase. The location in Cornwall is certainly right for that connection--Gwinear, Phillack, St. Austell.
Post by calswimmer on Dec 19, 2010 11:38:14 GMT -5
Well, this is interesting. A John Bartle and a Bartholomew Bartle, the latter age 10 in 1841, appear in the Thomas Trewhella (Trewala) family of Gwinear in 1841. Elizabeth Thomas, age 55, is also in the household. So is Bartholomew brother of another John Bartle, or are they mixed up?
Post by calswimmer on Dec 19, 2010 14:48:35 GMT -5
Thanks. Do you happen to know who the parents or family of that Thomas Trewhella are? Did he marry? Josiah, John Bartle's uncle went to Wisconsin, but the brother Josiah is [i]possibly[/i] living in Camborne in the 1841 census with another John Bartle family, as "Richard, "which appears to be his second name. I find that parents for Ann Hockin may be John Hockin and Amy Hockin, Amy said to be daughter of Bartholomew Hockin and Amy Harris. Trying to tie in the Thomas family, my most logical bet for a connection to the Bartles, I think. I found death info for John Bartle. He was indeed born in 1825, date given as October 16, which is very close to the date of birth registration, so that confirms his parents. The other John, living with Bartholomew and Trewhella, is pretty young in comparison. Maybe that one is brother Josiah, just misnamed in the census.
Post by calswimmer on Dec 20, 2010 13:58:28 GMT -5
Thanks for the Trewhella info. The date on his birth is really off in the census if that is the same person. The Elizabeth Thomas in the household is my best bet to find a relation. It shouldn't be too many generations back. But I am not sure it will be there. If someone was adopted in Cornwall, did they have the birth certificate that showed their actual parents? (I have the birth and marriage certificates for my ancestors, but I have to wonder). Next I will have to look into the Michell family and after that I give up!
Post by joejohnheath on Jun 25, 2014 18:47:56 GMT -5
This is kind of an old thread, so I don't know if you are still on here or not. I believe that I might be related. I come from William Bartle who was born 12 Jan 1823. He moved to Wisconsin and lived in Trempealeau County. I found an article from 1898 about his son William Bartle, who had to go to Sheffield, England to collect an inheritance. It said that it was from his grandfather John Bartle, who had already been dead for a while. It also said that the inheritance was passed to William Sr.'s sister, but she had also died, and then they finally found William's family in Trempealeau. I will include a link to the article at the end.
On Ancestry.com, I started typing Sheffield into an event location section, and it came up with 2 different spots... Sheffield, Cornwall and Sheffield, South Yorkshire. As an American, I don't know the difference between the two and have no clue which I should be looking into. That being said, I have been looking into both locations and came upon this family that you are talking about. The dates match up. So do the names of some of William's children (I saw a couple of the censuses for the John and Sarah Bartle family): Sarah Ann, John, William, Mary. Anyways, the fact that more of the family moved to Wisconsin really makes me think that they were related. I wasn't expecting that.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 26, 2014 0:07:46 GMT -5
Welcome to the site 'joejohnheath'. I am not sure if Calswimmer logs in as often as she used to but if we don't get a resonse in a day or so then I will send her a message to alert her to your post.
As for 'Sheffield' - I would think the story was probably concerned with Sheffield in Yorkshire as it was a large industrial town and very well known. Sheffield in Cornwall is a tiny village in the Parish of Paul (or perhaps just into Sancreed Parish) down in the far west of Cornwall. It is also not an area you would be likely to find many of the Bartle family although there might have been a couple. Usually the Bartles would be found in Parishes such as Gwithian, Gwinear, Crowan, Camborne and St Erth which are all east of the Hayle River.
Post by joejohnheath on Jun 28, 2014 7:53:15 GMT -5
Thank you so much for the response! Just know what you told me about Sheffield is very helpful. Perhaps I should also post a biography that was printed about my William Bartle. I have found some errors in it, so I have just used it as a loose guide in my research, but perhaps somebody might notice something helpful as well. In it, it says that William was born in Devonshire. I don't know if that is true or not. It was written 29 years after he died, and like I said, there were other errors.
"William Bartle, an early settler of Trempealeau County, was born in Devonshire, England, Jan. 12, 1823, and came to America as a young man. He was married in Cleveland, Ohio, May 16, 1856, to Ellen Seary, who was born in Enniskillen, Ireland, in May, 1830, and came to America in 1849, locating in Cleveland, Ohio. In 1862 Mr. Bartle and wife, with three children, came to Trempealeau County and settled on a farm in Ettrick Township, where he followed farming until 1876. He then moved to Trempealeau and for the two years following worked at burning lime. In 1878 he received a stroke of paralysis, which rendered him unable to perform heavy labor during the balance of his life. He passed away May 29, 1888. Just seven years to the day his good wife followed him, dying May 29, 1895. They were the parents of nine children, as follows: Sarah, born May 19, 1857, who is now Mrs. George Tibbitts of Keddleston, Canada; Emma, born in June, 1859, who died at the age of eleven years; Ellen, born in November, 1860, who died in 1904; Mary, born in 1863, and now Mrs. Thomas S. Bramwell of La Crosse, Wis.; William, born June 10, 1885, now a resident of Trempealeau; Charlotte, born April 1, 1868, now Mrs. Ed Huttenhow of Trempealeau Village; Margaret, born April 12, 1870, now Mrs. John C. Towner of Trempealeau Township; John, born Nov. 19, 1872, who is living at Keddleston, Canada, and Harriett, who was born Dec. 17, 1874, and died Sept. 1, 1913."
-Transcribed from the "History of Trempealeau County Wisconsin, 1917," page 401