Elizabeth Paynter m John Uren

[Sarch]

Elizabeth Paynter married John Uren in 1820 St Ives
Marriage by Licence with concent of parents
9 January 1820
Groom John Uren bachelor of this parish
Bride Elizabeth paynter minor spinster of this parish
Witnesses, William Paynter Jno Andws. Vining

Does anyone know who Elizabeth Paynter's parents are?
This Uren and Paynter family seems to have really intermarried here.

Elizabeth Paynter died between 1834-1838?

John Uren remarried to Grace Wall 1839
St Ives Marriage
28 Aug 1839 by Banns
John Uren of full age widower Fisherman of St. Ives (Father: John Uren, Gardener)
Grace Wall of full age spinster of St. Ives (Father: Thomas Wall, Mariner)


1841 Census
Civil Parish: St. Ives Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Address: Digey Place
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Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
UREN John M 40 Fisherman Cornwall
UREN Grace F 40 Cornwall
UREN Jane F 14 Cornwall
UREN John M 10 Cornwall (disability Deaf & Dumb)
UREN William M 7 Cornwall (William Paynter Uren)
UREN Sarah F 5 Cornwall

John Uren (disability Deaf & Dumb) married Elizabeth Welch who was the widow of William Paynter son of William Paynter and Elizabeth Cicely
St Ives 25 Aug 1858 by Banns
John Uren of full age bachelor Fisherman of St. Ives (Father: John Uren, Fisherman)
Elizabeth Paynter of full age widow of St. Ives (Father: Thomas Welch, Shipwright)

Baptism St Ives 2 Dec 1831John Uren son of John and Elizabeth Uren St Ives, Father's Occupation, Fisherman



William Paynter Uren married Mary Paynter who I think was the daughter of William Paynter and Elizabeth Cicely
St Ives 22 Nov 1858 by Banns
William Uren of full age bachelor Labourer of St. Ives (Father: John Uren, Fisherman)
Mary Paynter of full age spinster of St. Ives (Father: William Paynter, Fisherman)

Baptism St Ives 28 Feb 1834 William Paynter Uren son of John and Elizabeth Uren Father's Occupation, Fisherman

Can anyone help fit Elizabeth Paynter into a family?

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[londoner]

On the basis that the Elizabeth Uren buried in 1834 was aged 26 there would appear to be no suitable candidate BUT that would have made her only 12 at marriage in 1820 - a bit too young I think.

There is however Elizabeth daughter of Thomas & Mary, baptised 19 Jul 1803 who seems a more likely candidate - especially as there was a Thomas Uren bapt in Feb 1820 to John & Elizabeth - perhaps why they had to marry while she was still a minor - and a Mary Paynter Uren in 1828.

Any other ideas?

[Sarch]

Hi Londoner

Elizabeth daughter of Thomas Paynter and Mary Stevens bap 1803 is the only candidate I have at the moment but not finding a death for her I can't really work out her age other than she was under 21 on marriage.

I can't find a baptism for John Uren's daughter Sarah born about 1837 so I don't know if she is the daughter of John Uren and Elizabeth Paynter - William Paynter Uren is the last child I can find a baptism of born to John & Elizabeth in 1834

More than likely Sarah/Sally was baptised somewhere and she is the child of John and Elizabeth - then Elizabeth would have died beteen 1837 and 1839
Ok
found the baptism in Primitive Methodist Baptisms
Sarah Uren born 18 Jan 1837 baptised 7 Mar 1837
Father John Uren mother Elizabeth Paynter

So Elizabeth died between 1837 and 1839

I just found a BETSY Uren aged 39 buried 18-Nov 1838 St Ives
that would make her birth about 1799 Would make her about 20 on marriage?


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[londoner]

Looks like a more likely death but doesn't solve her parentage.
Unless she is the daughter of William & Elizabeth bapt 9th Oct 1799.

[Cornish Terrier]

Sarch - I think the first thing that needs to be done is to sort out the children.

There are obviously two families of John and Elizabeth Uren baptising children at the same time so getting all the correct children to each family might help establish names that are more likely linked to this Paynter family.

And if you have found one Non-conformist baptism then I would also go looking for others.

I just had a very quick look at the children in the CFHS Index for St Ives and notice there is NO Elizabeth or Betsy!

I will try and take a closer look later on today.

CT

[Sarch]

Hi CT

Betsy Uren died 18 November 1838 St Ives - I found it on the OPC Site - ;D ;D ;DBUT still not sure could be the right Elizabeth?

I have taken all the children with John Uren in the 1841 Census as being the children of John Uren and Elizabeth Paynter
1841 Census
UREN Jane F 14 Cornwall
UREN John M 10 Cornwall
UREN William M 7 Cornwall
UREN Sarah F 5 Cornwall
1851 Census
UREN John Son U M 20 Fisherman Cornwall - St Ives Disability: Df&dmb
UREN William P. Son U M 17 Fisherman Cornwall - St Ives
UREN Sally Dau - F 14 At Home Cornwall - St Ives (Sally nickname for Sarah)

Grace and Thomas H Uren in 1851 are John Uren's children with Grace Wall

There was another John and Elizabeth Uren in St Ives, but his occupation is Miner


John and Elizabeth Uren also had a daughter Mary Paynter Uren bap 21 Nov 1828 St Ives - I haven't a found a baptism for Jane born abt 1827




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[sue]

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Does it help at all that the OPC entry for Sarah's baptism 1837 St Ives Wes-Meth to John Uren & Elizabeth, says mother Elizabeth's parents were William and Elizabeth Paynter?

Sue

[Sarch]

Thanks Sue

I didn't look at the OPC site for Sarah

There was a William and Elizabeth Paynter having children in the 1790s in St Ives.
IGI
Elizabeth Paynter baptised 9 Oct 1799 St Ives
parents William and Elizabeth Paynter

Looks like the parents of Elizabeth are William Paynter and Elizabeth Harry m 1791 St Ives?
And
It looks like William son of William Paynter and Elizabeth Harry married Elizabeth Cicely 03 Nov 1816 St Ives - even more complicated

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[Cornish Terrier]

Elisabeth d/o William and Elisabeth Paynter bp. 9th October 1799 St Ives

I thought she had already been mentioned but she would be under 21 and seems the most likely now.

CT

[acra85]

Just found this thread and thought I should note that I believe the Elizabeth Paynter (widow ofWilliam Paynter (son of Wm and Elizabeth Sisley) was not a St ives Welch, but was born in Newhaven, Sussex. William was a coastguard and at some point was tationed in Sussex. They are listed in the 1851 census as living at Port Loe. Their daughter Martha (1852) is my great great grandmother, and married William Sisley Cowling. Hope this may be of some help.