Where is Tregose?

[donne]

I recently had the opportunity to look at the churchwardens accounts for St Erth 1650 to 1700 (basically the collection of the poor rate and the disbursements) at the Courtney Library iin Truro. I found ancestor John Dunn holding Tremelling ('Tremellin') and later, Tregose. I know where Tremelling is - it's on the OS maps - but does anyone know were Tregose would be? I think it must be near Tremellin because other documents I've seen refer to 'Tremellin and Tregose'. Incidentally, John's brother Alexander, is listed as holding Porthcollum ('Porcollum').

[Deleted]

There is a house called Tregoose not far from Probus.

[Sarch]

Does anyone know where the "Old maps of Cornwall" site has moved to?

I tried to access Old map of St Erth from the Genuki web site but the Old map site seems to have moved

Looked up the place names
The name Tregoose means "Farm by a wood"
Tremellin / Trevellin means "Farm by a mill"

I can find a Tremellin Lane which leads off Porthcollum Lane
a Tremelling Lane leads of Tremellin Lane
Porthcollum Lane goes south from St Erth Hill
North of the B3280

If you type in Tremillin lane in Google Earth you should find it

Sarch

[Cornish Terrier]

I checked some of my maps last night and could not find Tregose.

I have the 1:25,000 Ordnance Survey, 1:50,000 and 1:100,000 maps.

I also have the Reprint of the 1811 maps as well as a reproduction 'parchment map' of about 1649.

About the only Map I have not tried to look at yet is my copy of Gascoyne.

I have crossed paths with Tregose before yet it does not feature on any of these maps.

Nyuk, Nyuk! - being a sneaky little bugger I have tried something a little different.

Log into the Cornwall Online Census Project

Goto 1851 Census - St Erth

Search for 'Trego'

You should get two 'hits'.

Folio 36 Page 25

You should find the family of Nicholas Davies at Carnebeggars. (Household 64)

Right next door is:-

65, TREGOOSE, William TRELOAR and his family.

And the next place is

66, TREMELLING, Jane GILBART and her family
67, TREMELLING, John ROGERS and family

So I am guessing it is not a long way from Tremelling!

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

I have not had the opportunity to drag out my maps again but it has just occurred to me that I do not recall ever hearing of 'Carnebeggars' before.

The 1851 Census indicates that it must also be not far from Tremelling.

In fact I still have the COCP page open!

Folio 35 Page 23 - Vicarage and that is preceded by Trenhale.

After 'Vicarage' (which is household 59) we have the first household of Carnebeggars (no 60) through Tregoose and then Tremelling.

Hopefully that might be of some help.

CT

[donne]

Thanks for all of that. I did have a look at my copy of Gascoyne's map as CT mentioned but it isn't marked there. But I should be able to track it down with the clues you suggest. I did search the A2A catalogue and found the following at the CRO which seems to relate:
"WH/1/2890 17 Dec. 1877
Contents:
10 yr. lease; rent £30.
Francis Rodd of Trebartha Hall, esq., to Jn. Harvey of St. Erth, farmer.
Tenement called Tregoose, near St. Erth churchtown, being several fields (about 13 acres)."

[donne]

Thanks for the link to Google Maps, roadrunner. I must admit though that I could only see the road names on Googlemaps and not the farms, although they do come up on the OS Get-a-map site, as well as a place called The Old Vicarage which you mention. But it's interesting to use Google Streetview to get actual pictures of the streets and lanes in the area.

[copperandclay]

I would suspect that the Tregose property in question was superseded by Wheal Squire in the early 1800s. I know the area well and recall discovering a ruined stone building close to the Tremelling hamlet about 20 years ago. This was fairly accessible in those days but the Tremelling properties have changed hands during the last two decades and I haven't ventured to that area since. Look up Wheal Squire the (St Erth version) on google and focus in on the google map to the mine waste tips on the Trenedros land. There is a wooded area just to the west of the most westerly tip-the ruin is (or was) within that woodland. This would fit with the Cornish translation of Tregose and the data in the censuses.

I would be interested to know if anyone thinks I'm right!

[roadrunner]

Hello Folks Re Tregoose Having been Born/lived 1933/1954 Trebartha Place St Erth.
Had a good look at all census1841/1891 and it appears the Enumerators must of enjoyed
walking,Ihave never heard Tregoose mentioned.
But Landnuthnoe Farm and the terrace of houses below the entrance,[is this Tregoose]
the farm fields werethe righthand side StErth Hill to Carnebbas/PorthcolumbLane to
Tremelling Lane. and Church Street with Landnuthoe Cottage still there[ listedbuilding].
My g/parents lived in the house near the church Wall.
Regards
Roadrunner

[donne]

May 6, 2014 10:02:08 GMT -5 copperandclay said:

I would suspect that the Tregose property in question was superseded by Wheal Squire in the early 1800s.

The tenement seems to have been in existence circa 1851, as per the census reference quoted by CT and the quote from the CRO catalogue I posted seems to indicate that it was still there in 1877. I don't know anything of the history of Wheal Squire but the documentary evidence seems to be that Tregose didn't disappear until near the end of the 19th century.