Baden PM Quick and Marguerite E Townsend

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The Marriage of Baden PM Quick and Marguerite E Townsend is recorded Twice in the marriages registered in Epsom, Surrey in September Quarter of 1926

Was this a way to try and record the new marriage of a divorced person? but this isn't the real problem

BMD Marriages Sep 1926
Quick Baden P M Thatcher Epsom 2a 123
Quick Baden P M Townsend Epsom 2a 123

The Real Problem
I noticed that their son Clifford L Quick is also recorded twice
Free BMD Births Sep 1926
Quick Clifford L Maiden name of mother Townsend Epsom 2a 80
Thatcher Clifford L Maiden name of mother Townsend Epsom 2a 80 ?


Perhaps they only married after Clifford was born?

Marguerite Townsend and John Thatcher married 1914 divorced about 1925?
Divorce Court File: 7733.
Appellant: John Thatcher. Respondent: Marguerite Eyre Thatcher. Co-respondent: Baden Powell Quick.
Type: Husband's petition for divorce [hd].
Covering dates 1925


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Sarch - it seems that if a woman was previously married then the later marriage is indexed under her maiden name and again under her previous married name.

In the case of Anatole Trewheler who married in 1930 there are two records in the Index:-

1. Blanch M Haworth
2. Blanch M Newton

Difference here is that there should probably have been THREE entries given that her maiden name was DODD.

As for the son - well the fact that the birth and the marriage were both recorded in September 1926 suggests certainly that he was illegitimate.

He was born when Marguerite was still known as 'Thatcher' but it looks like Baden Quick was the father.

CT

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I have seen a Royal Naval Voluntary Reserve Service Record

which shows that a Reginald Baden Quick was born

9.2.1900 in Putney, London.

I don't know if this will helpful in your searching.

Leonard Quick born 1861 Towednack (Badens Father) was a widower by 1911.
More info on that if you want it.

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Hi Lamorna,


Baden Powell Mafeking Quick's birth was registered in December Quarter in Penzance in 1900
Son of Leonard & Mary Quick

Do you know who Reginalds' parents were?

All this has made me go and look up the dates of the Siege of Mafeking 14 Oct 1899 to 16 May 1900

I also looked up the first name Baden on Free BMD March 1899 to December 1903 the largest number of children named Baden or Baden Powell were born in 1900 I stopped trying to count

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CT

In the case of Anatole Trewheler who married in 1930 there are two records in the Index:-

1. Blanch M Haworth
2. Blanch M Newton

Was Blanch Dodd widowed or divorced?


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No sign of Reginald Baden Quick in the 1901 Census - at least not that I can find!

CT

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CT

I can find a Birth registered in Wandsworth for Reginald Baden Quick in Mar Quarter 1900

But

I can't find a death for either Reginald Baden or Baden PM Quick - but the Fee BMD search is only untill 1984 so possible they lived till 80 something?

Or

They died outside the UK?

Sarch

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Sarch - I have no idea about the marital condition of Blanch when she married Anatole.

I know the names of her previous husband's from the marriage certificate for when she married Anatole.

The National Archives of South Africa have a record of her death in 1957 that sistes 'predeceased spouse' - Anatole Trewheler, William Newton, William Louis Haworth.

From that I would be guessing that she was widowed at the time of the second and third marriages.

There are other problems with Blanch.
When she married Anatole in 1930 she said she was age 48 which puts her birth about 1882 but it appears she was actually born in 1877.
Her first marriage to William Newton was at Sheffield in 1893 but I have not found a death for William Newton and I can then not find a marriage record for William Louis Newton. (But he also appears to have been married previously - in 1911)

But any further discussion on this lot can take place in its proper forum.

Reginald Baden Quick died July 1992 Worthing R.D. West Sussex age 92 (Birth Date 9th February 1900)

No record found for BPM Quick.

Details from England & Wales Death Index: 1916-2005 on Ancestry.

CT

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Hi Sarch

I believe Reginalds parents were John Quick and Louisa Lloyd who married in December 1880 Kensington.
John was born 1863 Regents Park, Middx
Louisa was born 1863 Paddington.

They had 3 sons and 4 daughters.

I had an Uncle who also had the name of Baden amongst his christian names

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John James Quick with lots of time on his hands!

In 1891 he was age 28, 'living on own means' and already had SEVEN children!

Not sure about your information there Lamorna!

According to the 1891 Census John was born in Islington although I don't know the proximity to Regents Park.

But it is more that you say he had 3 sons and 4 daughters that I am querying.

In 1891 the family is at Hammersmith and consists of:-

John James Quick, 28, living on own means, Islington
Louisa E do., 28, Paddington
Frederick J do., 9, Westbourne Park
Frank J do., 8, Notting Hill
Arthur E do., 6, Notting Hill
Herbert S do., 5, Notting Hill
Alfred G do., 3, Shepherd's Bush
Claude A do., 2, Shepherd's Bush
Louisa V A do., 1mth, Shepherd's Bush
Alice H LLOYD, sister, 26, Paddington

I make that 6 sons and 1 daughter.

Unless, of course, there is another John Quick with a wife named Louisa whose unmarried sister's surname was Lloyd?

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I am not so sure that Reginald belongs to John and Louisa.

I have found the marriage for John James Quick and Louisa Lloyd at Paddington 8th December 1880

Also baptisms for four later children:-

Clapham Park St Stephen, Lambeth
Louisa Violet Alice Quick
John Henry Quick
Daisy Gertrude Quick

All recorded as c/o John James and Louisa Emily Quick, clerk, of 2 Lion's Terr. baptised 4th August 1897

Ena Doris daughter of John James and Louisa Emily Quick, clerk, of 8 Savlin Rd baptised 18th January 1902 at Putney St Mary, Wandsworth

Ena Doris and Reginald Baden were registered in the same District.

There is also a Dorothy Irene Quick registered in the March Qtr 1902 at Wandsworth and there is no baptism for her either.

This is all from Ancestry's London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906.

I can't find baptisms for the earlier children but places like Notting Hill and Shepherd's Bush are probably not covered in the records currently available on Ancestry.

CT

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A later census says he does belong

At the time of this census the eldest child was 23 and the youngest only 3.

If you disagree who do you think his parents are?

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I was not inclined to try and nominate parents as I could not find enough evidence.

I don't have access to 1911 so was unable to check that and I have not been able to find the family in 1900.

What I found in the baptismal records suggested the possibility that he was of a different family.

CT

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Where is John James Quick in the 1881 Census?


Their marriage was registered in December Quarter of 1880 - and the census was taken on 3 April 1881

I can find Louisa Quick married at home age 19 but no John.

Shirland Road 2 Camden Villas, London, Middlesex
Louisa Quick Head M Female 19 Paddington Accountants Wife
Alice Lloyd visitor U Female 17 Paddington

I can find a John J Quick at home with his parents - unmarried
Addison Ter 3, London Middlesex, England
James Quick Head M Male 53 Crediton, Devon England Meat Salisman (6 Men)
Ann Quick Wife M Female 54 Crediton, Devon England
Edwin A Quick Son U male 22 Marylebone, Middlesex, England Clerk
John J Quick Son U Male 18 Islington, Middlesex, England Clerk


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I don't have time to look further at the moment but at the time of his marriage John James Quick was living at 115 Church Street, Edgware Road.

Also - father's name was James Quick, salesman.

I think it is only the 'Baden' name that got us on to this little lot!

It has already been indicated that Baden became a very popular name around this time so as there appears no close connection with West Penwith (if there is a connection at all) then I am inclined to leave John James Quick alone.

At least we now have him on record.

CT