Richard Eddy c.1786 x3

[pollyq]

I've been bowled over by how helpful everybody has been on this board so a big thank you to start.

And now the problem

I have a Richard Eddy married to Margaret Row(e) in 1812, in St Just.

Managed to find Margaret's baptism and therefore her parents, but when it came

to looking for Richard's, I found three potential baptism records.

3 May 1785 - Richard Grenfell Eddy s. James & Honor Eddy

2 July 1787 - Richard Eddy s. Richard & Jane Eddy

25 June 1789 - Richard Eddy s. John & Mary Eddy

In the 1851 Census my Richard Eddy is living in St Just with 'Peggy' Eddy (wife)

and his son-in-law and daughter and grand-daughter, John, Mary and Ann Leggoe.

In the 1861 census Richard is still in St Just, but Margaret had died, as has the

son-in-law.

Richard is living with his daughter and grand-daughter still.

Can't find him or the family in the 1841 census though.

All(?) of his children are

Margaret 1813
Richard 1814
Peter 1816
Ann 1819
Mary 1821
John 1823
Mary 1827

I'm leaning towards Richard Eddy's parents being John & Mary for no other reason

than that was what he named his last two offspring I know I'm clutching at

straws.

If anyone has any thoughts I'd love to hear them.

[Cornish Terrier]

Polly - as mentioned via email I think the name 'Peter' might be significant.

But first I would like to know who you have identified as Margaret Row's parents as I had not quite gone that far.

Now, Richard and Margaret had a number of children that I have identified and in order they are - Margaret, Richard, PETER, Ann, Mary, John and Mary.

The fact that Peter is named as the second son tends to indicate to me that the name meant something with the logical connection being father or brother.

I am reasonably certain that Peter was not the father of Richard so he may well have been a brother.

The John and Mary Eddy mentioned by Polly had a son named Peter so they are logically possible parents for Richard.

Unfortunately their son Richard was not born/baptised until 1789 and all indications we have so far show that the husband of Margaret Row was born about 1785 or 1786.

We have the usual problem with Census and death/burial records regarding age!

James and Honour also had a son named Peter. In fact they had another of that name who died young so the name appears to have been significant in that family.

But Richard never used the names James or Honour which tends to distance him from this link.

And the only nominal link for Richard with the family of Richard and Jane is that he would have had sister's named Ann and Mary.

Not one of these could be confidently claimed as parents of Richard at the moment.

So the hunt continues.

CT

[pollyq]

Hi CT,

the baptism record for Margaret is,

19 May 1791 - Margaret d. of Stephen and Elizabeth Rowe

I think the correct marriage record of this couple is,

7 Apr 1787 - Morvah - Stephen Rowe of St Just and Elizabeth Harry

I've still been unable to locate Richard and Margaret in the 1841 census which is most frustrating. There might be a clue that I'm missing.

I did find a Richard Eddy (b. abt 1755) living with a Richard Eddy (b. abt 1787) and his wife Patience in St Just. They also have a daughter called Jane.

This could be the Richard of Richard and Jane. Shame they didn't record relationships on this census.

Having had a look at the marriage record for this Richard Eddy,

15 Jan 1814 - Madron - Richard Eddy and Patience Daniel

Jane Eddy is down as one witness.

Doesn't solve anything, but it's the only relevant information that I've found

CORRECTION - I feel the need to come back to this thread and correct a glaring error I made with Margaret's parents. She was NOT the

daughter of Stephen and Elizabeth Rowe, but the daughter of Benjamin and Margaret Rowe. Her correct baptism is at Morvah on the 31 Dec 1786.

Margaret, daughter of Benjamin, married Richard Eddy in 1812 in St Just in Penwith, and was buried Margaret Eddy in St Just on 24 Jan 1859.

Both the burial record and the GRO Index gives Margaret's age as 73 years old, indicating a birth year of 1786. This matches the baptism of

Margaret in Morvah.


Margaret daughter of Stephen and Elizabeth Rowe was baptised in 1791, she married Robert James in St Just in Penwith in 1810 and died in

childbirth in 1829. She was buried Margaret James in St Just on the 17 May 1829 aged 38 years old. Her age indicates a birth year of 1791,

which matches the baptism of Margaret daughter of Stephen.

Sorry if I misled anyone with my post. Luckily I didn't go back much further than Margaret's parents, so I didn't have a great deal of work

to do unpicking the info on my ancestry tree. I have been investigating the Rowes of St Just in Penwith and Morvah which I will discuss in

a new thread.

[Cornish Terrier]

That one can safely be eliminated from the equation.

The elder Richard was baptised 9th April 1757 at Morvah son of Andrew and Jane Eddy.

His son Richard was baptised 4th March 1787 at Morvah and he then married Patience Daniel at Madron 15th January 1814.

I am unable to find Richard and Margaret in 1841 at the moment either and I cannot remember now if I found them last time around.

I really have to call it quits for the night now but I will try and look at this again tomorrow.

CT

[cowdogsam]

Nov 6, 2010 8:59:16 GMT -5 Cornish Terrier said:

The elder Richard was baptised 9th April 1757 at Morvah son of Andrew and Jane Eddy.

Would this Andrew and Jane by Andrew Eddy and Jane Jenkin ct?
Just double checking here, as i've got 2 marriages for Andrew. both to Janes. One to Jane Harry, and then a second to Jane Jenkin after Jane Harry's death in 1736.

Is that correct?


Polly, as i'm sure you are aware already, the Eddy's are a bit of a tangled web

Which hopefully is being unravelled a bit at a time !

[Cornish Terrier]

Would this Andrew and Jane by Andrew Eddy and Jane Jenkin ct?

Yes, that's how I show it.

Andrew I believe was the son of David Eddy and Catherine (nee Gartrell) and he was buried at Morvah 1st May 1767.

Second wife was buried 20th January 1779 at Morvah age 58 but I have not tried to track down a baptism for her.

CT

[pollyq]

Polly, as i'm sure you are aware already, the Eddy's are a bit of a tangled web

I'm quickly finding this out cowdogsam.

I've got an Eddy headache from staring at online records.

I really can't see a way forward at the moment, so I'm going to leave this for a couple of days and come back to it with fresh eyes.

I've been through the 1841 census and found the children of Richard, who I know were married at the time, and neither parent (ie, Richard or Margaret) are living with them.

Can't find Richard and Margaret living together, but I found a Margaret Eddy living as a servant with a family in St. Ives but no way of knowing is she's married.

As I said, I need a couple of days to think of another angle to approach this problem. Maybe a eureka moment will occur

[Cornish Terrier]

There seems to be no sign of Richard and/or Margaret (Peggy) anywhere in 1841.

When youngest daughter Mary was baptised in 1827 the family was at Nancherrow and they were also at Nancherrow in 1851.

Yet even a search around the area of Nancherrow provides no trace of them.

The first three children were easy enough to find - Margaret with husband Thomas Hicks and then Richard and Peter were both at Nancherrow.

But the remaining living children are a problem.

Ann married John Hill at St Just in 1839 and had a daughter Elizabeth baptised in January 1840 and I only found her by doing a blanket search on the surname.

OR DID I

John Hill, 20
PEGGY Hill, 20
Elizabeth Hill, 16 mths

Living at Church Town, St Just, where Elizabeth was baptised.

I found them in the Online Census Project but if you want to find them in Ancestry try searching for HILD!

But I cannot find the two youngest - John (1823) and Mary (1827).

John married Elizabeth Hocking at St Just in 1843 and Mary married John Leggoe in 1848.

Drawing Board beckons!

[cowdogsam]

Nov 6, 2010 17:23:06 GMT -5 Cornish Terrier said:

Andrew I believe was the son of David Eddy and Catherine (nee Gartrell) and he was buried at Morvah 1st May 1767.

Second wife was buried 20th January 1779 at Morvah age 58 but I have not tried to track down a baptism for her.

CT

I had a funny feeling it was.... well i guess that ties up one loose Richard Eddy, and brings him back into the cousin marriage fold

I'm quickly finding this out cowdogsam.

I've got an Eddy headache from staring at online records.

They do have a habit of doing that! As one falls into place another causes a problem

[pollyq]

Thank you Cornish Terrier for trawling through the '41 census. I know how tedious it is, as I've done it three times now

I haven't come across Ann Eddy's marriage before so that's a new piece of info.

The latest reference I have for Richard being in the St. Just area (prior to the 1841 census) is as a witness to Richard, his son's, marriage to Elizabeth Williams in 1839.

He is called 'Richard Senior' so I take it that means 'Richard the father'.

So we have the definite knowledge that they don't appear in the census. This could be because they were not in the area, or the country , or somehow their dwelling place

was missed in the census. Seeing as 1841 was the first major census, could this be a possibilty do you think?


Well, anyway the census is not going to provide an answer, so I'd better direct my research somewhere else. The first port of call is back to the Record's Office

to look at the original entry for Richard and Margaret's marriage in the parish register. I want to find Richard, son of .......... scrawled in the margin ;D


I did find a burial record on the Cornwall OPC website for a Richard Eddy, son of Richard Eddy on 18 Feb in 1800. I did wonder if this could rule out

Richard b. 1787 to Richard and Jane Eddy?

It does suggest a child rather than an adult being buried because of the reference to a father, or is this a dangerous generalisation?


Apart fom this I've had no new ideas, except that I should take up a less difficult hobby

[Cornish Terrier]

The latest reference I have for Richard being in the St. Just area (prior to the 1841 census) is as a witness to Richard, his son's, marriage to Elizabeth Williams in 1839.

He is called 'Richard Senior' so I take it that means 'Richard the father'.

Not always the case as 'senior' might simply mean the elder of two persons of the same name.
In this case though we have the added information that the groom was 'of Nancharrow' and we know that is where the family lived.

So we have the definite knowledge that they don't appear in the census.

Well, they do not appear in the Ancestry, COCP or FreeCEN versions of the Census which would seem suggestive!

But that does not necessarily mean that they weren't there.

Without knowiing exactly where in Nancherrow they lived it is not that easy to know whether they were home or not.

A study would need to be done to find out exactly what people/families were living there before 1841.
Some information could be found in the baptismal records (where 'abode' was recorded') and in the marriage records (as with the marriage of young Richard which stated he was 'of Nancherrow').

And then a comparison would have to be made with the 1841 Census to see if others were missing.

After that the 1851 Census would need to be checked to see who was still there.

Only then might we get an idea of whether a 'group' might have been missed or if the record for that particular 'group' might have gone missing.

The first port of call is back to the Record's Office to look at the original entry for Richard and Margaret's marriage in the parish register. I want to find Richard, son of .......... scrawled in the margin

Afraid that might be very much 'wishful thinking'.

Prior to 1837 it is most unusual to find any mention of the father and the only clues (normally) would be the names and signiatures of the witnesses.

Following are two consecutive entries from the transcription (by Margaret Owens) of the St Just marriages in 1837.

Civil Registration began on July 1st 1837 so these two entries show the difference in data recorded before and from that date.

10 Jun 1837
John Tregear of this parish [mark]
Eliza Williams of this parish [mark]
Witnesses: William Williams, Richard Leggoe

5 Jul 1837
Thomas Strick 22 Sojourner in this parish [mark] (Father: William Strick)
Ann Ellis 28 of this parish (Father: Alexander Ellis)
Witnesses: Alexander Ellis [mark], John Tregear

I did find a burial record on the Cornwall OPC website for a Richard Eddy, son of Richard Eddy on 18 Feb in 1800.

Generally speaking this would mean a child however I have known the deceased to have been at least in their 20s for similar entries.

Apart fom this I've had no new ideas, except that I should take up a less difficult hobby

RUBBISH! ;D

[londoner]

And one of the witnesses was very often the Parish Clerk or Churchwarden - you can usually work out who by the number of times his name crops up.

[Deleted]

I have an extract of the will of Richard Eddy 19.7.1810

Richard Eddy will of the ship 'Weymouth' 30.5.1754

Richard Eddy will of the ship 'Falmouth' 30.5.1700

Royal Navy Registers for Richard Eddy 21.1.1872 of Zennor

Royal Navy Registers for Richard Stanley Eddy of Penzance.

If any of these would help let me know, Polly.

I can get other documents for Eddy's as well.

[Cornish Terrier]

Lmorna - if you don't mind these documents would be of assistance to me also.

Any information that will help me put together the remaining Eddys of West Penwith will be useful.

CT

[Deleted]

I can get these documents to you but an e-mail would be

best, what do you think?

L