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Post by londoner on Oct 17, 2010 10:03:29 GMT -5
Edward son of Edward Try and Jane James bapt 16 Jun 1788 married a Sarah somewhere, some-when? (Children born Portland)
In 1841 the family are in Suffolk - Edward is a Coast Guard. In 1851 and 61 he is back in St Ives. His daughter Sarah married Henry Farman in Suffolk, His daughter Elizabeth Wallis Try married William Cothey in St Ives. AND one of Sarah's children had Wallis as a middle name which leads me to think that Edward's wife might well have been Sarah, daughter of James Wallis and Margaret Harry.
Can anyone find the marriage of Edward & Sarah?
BTW I was sure I had posted this yesterday but must have hit the wrong button - apologies if it appears twice.
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Post by londoner on Oct 17, 2010 10:46:18 GMT -5
How come when I ask a question I find the answer before anyone sees it! Sarah Wallis m Edward Fry 19 Feb 1818 at Portland Dorset (IGI) it didn't come up when I searched for Edward but I just tried for Sarah and there it was!
And there are a couple of possible baptisms at Portland so I shall have to cancel the idea of her parents being James & Margaret
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 17, 2010 12:06:48 GMT -5
It is something to watch for with IGI as I also found out. Sometime fairly recently Lannanta was looking for the bride of one of his Robert Glassons (from memory). Logic suggested who she was but the marriage could not be found ............. until I tried something different and found the answer just like you have. It was there all the time but indexed only under the bride's name!
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Post by Sarch on Oct 18, 2010 1:13:30 GMT -5
Hi Londoner Here is a maybe There is a Sarah Wallis in the IGIborn 1789 Portland, Dorset, England Baptised 19 Mar 1789 Portland, Dorset, England Father William Wallis Mother Rebecca Winter Family Group Record brings up the Children of William & RebeccaRebecca 1784 Mary 1786 William 1787 Sarah 1789 Abraham 1791 John 1793 The Pedigree chart brings up the parents of William Wallis - William Wallis & Ann Nossiter Parents of Rebecca Winter - Thomas Winter & Joan Jane Nice to see all the boxes ticked - now if only she is the correct Sarah Wallis ;D Sarch
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Post by londoner on Oct 18, 2010 4:17:01 GMT -5
Thanks Sarch - I think that must be her. I only found this family because one of her granddaughters - Elizabeth Ann Farman married Thomas Wallis b. 1852 Zennor, in 1872 (She was previously married to a Berriman but I haven't found that marriage yet). Still trying to work out who his father (also Thomas) was. I think he was probably Thomas Henry the son of Nicholas & Elizabeth of Kerrow, but there is a discrepancy as censuses give him b 1821 but the baptism at Madron was 1823. Any comments?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 18, 2010 5:10:04 GMT -5
John Peak BERRIMAN and Elizabeth Ann FARMAN 1864 September Qtr Penzance R.D. Vol 5c Page 505
I am trying to track down a record of the marriage and also some details on John Berriman.
CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 18, 2010 5:47:33 GMT -5
Another little can of worms you have opened!! John Peak Berriman appears in the 1861 Census at St Ives with his family. But he is recorded as John R Berriman. He is not at home in 1851 but He was born at St Ives in 1845. His parents were:- William s/o William BERRIMAN and Ann Harris PEAKE (d/o Thomas) who married at St Ives 18th December 1843. I can find no death record for John. But the can of worms is with his father and grandfather. William Berriman was age 40 at the time of the 1861 Census and from his marriage was the son of William Berriman, carpenter. However - William was born in PRUSSIA!! So now I am not only chasing Russians I am chasing Prussians as well! ;D Will post more if I find it. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 18, 2010 6:21:33 GMT -5
No luck on te Prussian side but ............ Elizabeth Ann Farman had at least one brother. Edward Farman son of Henry was married Jane Trevorrow at St Ives 13th December 1863. Edward Farman, widower, son of Henry, married Mary Gregory QUICK at St Ives 21st February 1866. You cannot get away from them!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 18, 2010 6:42:49 GMT -5
1881 Census Penhalvean, Stithians Thomas WALLIS, head, mar, 26, ag lab, Towednack Elizabeth a do., wife, mar, 37, Corton Suffolk Thomas H do., son, 8, scholar, St Ives William do., son, 4, scholar, St Ives Edward T do., son, 3, St Ives John G do., son, 1, Wendron Sarah FARMAN, mother-in-law, widow, 62, Portland
Don't know if you had found this one but it does confirm much of the rest.
CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 18, 2010 6:52:05 GMT -5
In actual fact the marriage of Edward and Sarah IS indexed in IGI under the groom's name.
The problem is that the Soundex does not cover TRY and FRY as being potentially the same name.
I just found it by look for Edward FRY with wife Sarah.
CT
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Post by londoner on Oct 18, 2010 7:02:18 GMT -5
Thanks for the Berriman marriage - explains why Elizabeth's mother is listed as Sarah Peek in 1871 census!
The family now also links to Harts and Beckerlegs and thus back to my Humphrys!!
And Edward married a third time to Mary Louisa Williams in 1868
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 18, 2010 7:09:54 GMT -5
Sorry Londoner and Sarch ................. I think that must be WRONG! ;D From the Dorset OPC site - St George's Church, Portland - Marriages 1813-1824 19th February 1818 by Banns Edward FRY of this Parish, bachelor, married Sarah WALLIS, spinster of St Ives, Cornwall Witnesses:- William William Gillinger, Ann Duke ;D
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 18, 2010 7:21:52 GMT -5
I currently have six children listed for Edward and Sarah - Ann, Sarah, Edward, Elizabeth Wallis, George James and Thomas. You will find baptisms for Ann, Edward, Elizabeth and George in the Portland St George Baptisms on the OPC site. They are all transcribed as FRY except George who appears as TRY or FRY. There is a note saying that the 1820 entries are missing from the Bishop's Transcript so you won't find Sarah. Thomas was in the 1841 Census age 10 but I don't yet know where he was born. The family was then living at Corton, Suffolk. The link for the Dorset OPC - www.opcdorset.org/The Home Page has a list of all the Parishes covered so just go to Portland and click on it and you should find all you need. In Ancestry Edward appears as IVY in 1851 and is widowed. Sarah TRY died December Qtr 1845 Mutford&c. R.D. In fact! ;D I just found her in England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991 via FamilySearch Beta. Sarah Try buried 12th December 1845 at Corton, Suffolk Unfortunately her age is not recorded. CT
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Post by londoner on Oct 18, 2010 7:34:07 GMT -5
That's terrific so my first though must well be correct after all and she was a St Ives Wallis. Which leaves James and Margaret as the best bet for her parents! ;D
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 18, 2010 8:01:53 GMT -5
Looks much better as she was 'of St Ives' and there seems to be no reason why the Dorset family might have ventured that way. The only query I have is the age and it is annoying that Familysearch do not have Sarah's age listed in the burial. Of course it may be that it was not entered in the register either but .............. Sarah was age 50 in the 1841 Census when, by rights, she would have been 56 if she was the daughter of James and Margaret. I think we still need just that little bit more to be certain but it is looking good.
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