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Oct 13, 2010 9:51:33 GMT -5
Post by eve on Oct 13, 2010 9:51:33 GMT -5
I wonder if anyone has come across Mary Margaret Pellew Williams who was born in St Just in 1888. She was my grandmother, but so far cannot find much about her parentage. I am probably looking in the wrong places!
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Oct 13, 2010 10:11:39 GMT -5
Post by londoner on Oct 13, 2010 10:11:39 GMT -5
Cornwall opc has baptism 6 Oct 1886 Mary Margaret Pellew Williams, daughter of Ralph and Margaret of Cape Cornwall St, father's occupation: Mine Agent
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Oct 13, 2010 10:13:56 GMT -5
Post by londoner on Oct 13, 2010 10:13:56 GMT -5
from Free BMD: Ralph Williams marriage Jun 1885 Penzance 5c, 451- on same page Margaret Casley
According to 1891 census (still at Cape Cornwall St) Ralph was b 1849 and Margaret in 1851, both of St Just, Mary in listed as Margaret age 4
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Oct 13, 2010 10:25:28 GMT -5
Post by londoner on Oct 13, 2010 10:25:28 GMT -5
I think that age in 1891 must be wrong - in 1881 Ralph is living with three unmarried sisters and is b 1842 - that would make him the son of Ralph & MAry baptised at St Just 9th Jan 1842.
And Margaret is probably the daughter of John and Mary of Bosorne, St Just. Baptised 31 Oct 1847
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Oct 13, 2010 10:32:47 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2010 10:32:47 GMT -5
In 1901 Ralph, Margaret and Mary Margaret were living at 4 Cape Cornwall Street.
Ralph was a carpenter.
Ralph was baptised 9.1.1842 St Just in Penwith. Parents are Ralph Williams and Mary Reynolds Hocking who married 6.1.1835 St just in Penwith.
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Oct 14, 2010 5:59:36 GMT -5
Post by eve on Oct 14, 2010 5:59:36 GMT -5
I know for a fact that she was born in 1888, and died in 1951, aged 63. I would think the answer by 'Londoner' is right, except for the date of her birth. Her first born was called Ralph so you are definitely on the right track!
She was married in 1909 at St Just to my grandfather, Frederick Thomas.
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Oct 14, 2010 6:06:56 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2010 6:06:56 GMT -5
I've just checked the latest census.
Mary is down as being born 1887.
Ralph Williams Thomas age 2.
They were living at Chapel Street, St Just.
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Oct 14, 2010 6:32:07 GMT -5
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 14, 2010 6:32:07 GMT -5
Eve - a big statement I think. Unless you have a birth certificate then I suggest you are basing this on the fact that her age was recorded as 63 when she died. If you read through the various threads here you will find that an age on a death certificate, headstone or burial record can be notoriously incorrect. In fact the Birth for Mary Margaret Williams was Registered in the September Qtr of 1886. The baptism of 5th October 1886 would therefore most certainly be correct. What I would be interested in is how she came to have Pellew included in her name. CT
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Oct 14, 2010 9:06:01 GMT -5
Post by eve on Oct 14, 2010 9:06:01 GMT -5
Yes, they lived in Chapel Street, my uncle was Ralph Williams Thomas, born 1910, but I do know she was born in 1888, it is on her gravestone at St Just Cemetery, card/location no. 342. She died on 28th April 1951. She was seven years younger than my grandfather who was born in 1881.
I am also interested in the Pellew name, I expect I have been told of its origins by my mother (her daughter) but unfortunately, cannot remember.
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Oct 14, 2010 10:14:04 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2010 10:14:04 GMT -5
Have you got any details about your Great grandmothers side of the family, Eve?
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Oct 14, 2010 10:45:13 GMT -5
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 14, 2010 10:45:13 GMT -5
Ah - the old inscription on the gravestone! I don't mean to sound 'picky' Eve but this is yet another potential source for misleading information. In fact it is only a couple of days ago that I found another problem with these inscriptions. I have a photo that I took when I was in Cornwall. It is the gravestone for Matthew Trewhella in Ludgvan Churchyard. On this stone it states the date of death for Matthew Trewhella as May 10th 1886. My problem was that the transcription of the burial record showed that he was buried in April 1886 - a month before he died!! I sent a note to the OPC for Ludgvan who duly checked the register. And he confirmed that the burial was recorded in April. Therefore the inscription must be incorrect. What you must remember is that the information on Gravestones is at best only as good as what is supplied to the monumental mason. The person supplying the information will not always know the exact details and then it is up to the mason to inscribe what he has been given. And the mason is as prone to error as anyone else. The information would probably be handwritten so may or may not be legible and even then the person doing the inscription may not totally understand what is written. In the end what is seen on the Gravestone may or may not be correct and may or may not be the same as what was requested. Believe me when I say that I have numerous examples of incorrect inscriptions and many of them I have photos of the grave. I also have ample proven evidence that Birth, Death and Marriage certificates are not always correct and a number of these have been discussed on this board. Unfortunately even the most critical 'official' documents can be in error. CT
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Oct 15, 2010 9:01:35 GMT -5
Post by eve on Oct 15, 2010 9:01:35 GMT -5
I know that my grandmother died on 28th April 1951 because I know the age I was when she died, my grandfather died three years later on 29th November 1954. He was 73 and she was 63, there was seven years between them in age.
I'm sorry but I can't see that in 1951, the wrong date and age could have been put on the gravestone. She died first and my grandfather would not have put the wrong age and date on.
He was born in 1881, and she was born in 1888!!
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Oct 15, 2010 9:10:04 GMT -5
Post by eve on Oct 15, 2010 9:10:04 GMT -5
Lamorna, I have plenty of details about my grandfather's side, Thomasas of Zennor, but very little of my grandmother as she died when I was quite young, I know the family were from St. Just as indeed I was, and connected with mining, although the Thomasas of Zennor were farmers. I think her parents must have been Ralph and Margaret Williams of 4, Cape Cornwall Street, as the family have been connected with that property in the past. Who Ralph's parents were I don't know or Margaret's (my great grand parents).
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Oct 15, 2010 9:27:50 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2010 9:27:50 GMT -5
Hi Eve
I did leave you a personal message a couple of days ago. I also come from that end of Cornwall and will be down there this coming week for a few days.
L
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Oct 15, 2010 11:30:53 GMT -5
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 15, 2010 11:30:53 GMT -5
Eve - remember that it may not necessarily have been your grandfather who supplied the information for the stone mason.
And it is also possible the mason made an error.
And we do have this record as quoted earlier:-
Cornwall opc has baptism 6 Oct 1886 Mary Margaret Pellew Williams, daughter of Ralph and Margaret of Cape Cornwall St, father's occupation: Mine Agent
The surest way of solving the puzzle would be to get the Birth Certificate which is likely to be the most accurate of all.
I will be quite happy if I am proved wrong.
Regards,
CT
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