Russell

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I would like to say thankyou to all who have helped me so far on this site.

I have been able to solve several brickwalls and one or two of them have been there for a long time.

Thankyou Roy for the files you have sent.
Christmas has come early!

I do have another query, its about a Mary Russell born 1698
in St Buryan.
Does anyone know who her parents were?
Or anything about her.

Thanks again.

[Cornish Terrier]

Lamorna - those details can be found readily in the IGI and also on the OPC site.

However I have checked the details against the register to be sure they are correct:-

Mary daughter of Stephen Russell and Margaret his wife was baptised November 14th 1698

The marriage is a little more difficult to decipher and appears in IGI and the OPC site as simply 1696.

However a close look at the register indicates that:-

Stephen Russell married Margaret Gwenap 26th January 1696

That is the date 'as is' in the register and is recorded in the Old Style.

You might prefer it as 26th January 1696/7

CT

[Mal]

I couldn't help but notice the surname Gwennap.

I have a Margarett Gwennap baptised at St Buryan, 12 April 1668 to William Gwennap and Amye. There is another baptism of William to William and Amye too, however I think this is a problem because the only marriage I have found is of William Gwenap and Anne Berat at St Buryan, 9th December 1654. I suppose it's possible that Anne could be misread for Amye and vice-versa but someone would need to look at the original record.

The only baptism for a William is Willimus Gwynope at Gulval, son of Richard (Richardi) at Gulval on 4th November 1603.

This is quite a small family and in the early period they seem to be concentrated in Gulval (nothing at Gwennap!!!). They then spread out and a few baptisms and marriages come in the 17th century in London/SE and Devon, later in Northumbria.

At Gulval there is a Richardus Gwennap who has children baptised, but also a Franciscus who may be a brother however I cannot as of yet linkt them- although the names etc all point to some kind of blood tie.

The surname is problematic too, it's recognisable as Gwennap (i.e. from the place) but the spellings vary a lot, Gwinnop/Gwennap/Guinope/Gwynop etc so if you are using a search engine be prepared to look for wildcards entries too. The early records at Gulval are recorded in Latin forms as well, i.e. Johannis, Robertus fili Richardi, Francisci etc.

Hope that might help.

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Thankyou for the info CT

I'm sorry to have wasted your time and I must remember to look

on other sites first before posting queries here.

A lesson for the future.

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Thanks Mal.

Yes your info helps.

[Cornish Terrier]

Lamorna - you have not wasted my time as I actually learned something from the way the marriage entry appears in the register.

But it is good to remember to try IGI and OPC first so that you have some basic information to work from.

The OPC records are transcribed directly from the originals so you should get all available information but it is stressed that the original should be also checked as transcribers do make mistakes!

Believe me, I know!! - I am one and have made mistakes myself!

The IGI has the 'bare bones' of the entry and you need to watch out for extraneoous information added by LDS patrons.

But what I found out from this is how different people might view the information they see.

The first few entries for 1696 have the handwriting sloping up from left to right across the page.
There are four entries in this handwriting with the last two being for December 2nd and January 2nd.

It then appears that there were three marriages on January 30th.

Literally 'squeezed' in between the marriage for January 2nd and the first marriage for January 30th is the marriage for Stephen Russell.

And although it is slightly above (but still to the left) there has been entered the date 'Jan 26th' beside this entry and between the two dates just mentioned.

Mal - you will also find the name Gwenap (var.) at St Just.

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

I have a Margarett Gwennap baptised at St Buryan, 12 April 1668 to William Gwennap and Amye. There is another baptism of William to William and Amye too, however I think this is a problem because the only marriage I have found is of William Gwenap and Anne Berat at St Buryan, 9th December 1654. I suppose it's possible that Anne could be misread for Amye and vice-versa but someone would need to look at the original record.

Mal - this is a case of 'good luck'!

It actually looks like daughter of William and ANN to me but there is evidence of what might be construed as more lettering which might make it look like 'Amye'.

A baptism on July 20th 1658 for daughter Mary looks like William and AMY as the parents

Th marriage looks like Anne but the entry is a little faded.

Email on its way so you might be able to see for yourself.

CT

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I think CT it is just as well that you mentioned about the IGI and

the OPC sites as it will serve to let future new members know

where to search first.

Which parish are you the OPC for?

Have you got your own?

[Cornish Terrier]

I actually started transcribing for the OPC project as a volunteer after some email discussions with one of the co-ordinators.

I am not actually an OPC myself but I have taken on the role of 'assistant' for Gwithian.

Zenobia (our Administrator here) is the actual OPC for Gwithian but has been unavailable for some time due to other commitments so I offered to help out for a while with lookups etc.

BTW - I neglected to mention a point about the marriage of Stephen Russell.

IGI has it just as 1696.

OPC currently has the Phillimore entry which shows the date as 'interpolated' and occurring between entries for 2nd January and 30th January 1696.

I think I have managed to get it just 'a little more exact'.

CT

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The more the merrier with helping to transcribe.

I've helped out with various things in the past.

I'm in the midst of a new site which is being set up now.

Thanks for your more exact information.