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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 9, 2022 16:24:24 GMT -5
Thanks Roger - yes, I had checked the BTs as well but had missed that 1625 burial of John Enis.
CT
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Post by zibetha on Sept 25, 2022 17:16:28 GMT -5
I proceed again with good thanks to my 3rd cousin on an unrelated line for the gift of a DNA test.
In terms of my possible/probable connection to Christopher Cock of Helston via mystery daughter who was likely the wife of Christopher Trewhella, I have been recreating a lost computer file. Probably better this time around anyway. I have a mystery group of hundreds of DNA matches in the Southeastern US states where none of my known immigrant ancestors ever resided. I am finding many matches with descendants of the Cock family brothers and nephew who moved to the (now) state of Virginia now that I have some surnames to search. They cover the opportunities to acquire homestead land and move from Virginia to southern states and also west to Kansas, Arkansas, etc. This has been nagging me for many years but is now making sense.
Zib
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Post by zibetha on Sept 25, 2022 17:44:39 GMT -5
The DNA connections are there. I match the USA line, Hamptons and Penhellick descendants. On the line of Christopher Cock 1643 and Grace Bolitho, I can think I have traced her back to her/my Pascoe ancestors.
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Post by Chris on Sept 25, 2022 18:06:20 GMT -5
I believe I am also a descendant of Christopher COCK and Jane PENHELLICKE. There are no DNA matches (I tested at Ancestry, but have uploaded everywhere else I can), at that level, but I believe I have 2 matches through their daughter, Ann COCK (who married Robert HAMPTON in 1661). Of course, it could be that I match those two through another, not yet identified, line. I would love to hear from anyone who is a descendant who has a DNA match to me. Chris Australia GEDMATCH A665883 Ancestry Username coolgarra Webpage www.chriswright.id.au
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Post by zibetha on Sept 26, 2022 13:05:23 GMT -5
I've come up with 19 matches to descendants of Thomas Cock in the USA. Surnames to search in trees are Stith, Isbell, Bolling and Hardaway. I have 4 matches descended from Ann Cock and Robert Hampton sons Thomas and Robert.
I match you on 4 chromosomes, but all are less 4 centiMorgans.
Zib
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Post by Chris on Sept 26, 2022 17:06:28 GMT -5
I've come up with 19 matches to descendants of Thomas Cock in the USA. Surnames to search in trees are Stith, Isbell, Bolling and Hardaway. I have 4 matches descended from Ann Cock and Robert Hampton sons Thomas and Robert. I match you on 4 chromosomes, but all are less 4 centiMorgans. Zub Thanks Zub! So less than 4cM is probably just general Cornish DNA! I even match my hubby with a 4cM segment. Mind you, if the trees are correct we are 10th cousins once removed through John WOOLCOCK and Maria TREGARTHEN. It's also why I'm a bit sceptical about my DNA matches down Ann's line, in that they are 15cM and 60cM, and that just 'feels' a little far big for how far back she is (8th great grandmother). It's not until I get down to grandson Edward HAMPTON that I get more matches, and feel more confident in what I am seeing. I come down from 2 of his children, so perhaps I am getting more/bigger segments than might normally be expected. Chris Australia GEDMATCH A665883 Ancestry Username coolgarra Webpage www.chriswright.id.au
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Post by zibetha on Sept 26, 2022 19:33:53 GMT -5
Spelled my own moniker wrong. I think I am having good luck with the Virginia Cock/cox families due to a small population group--- talk about cousins marrying cousins!
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Post by Chris on Sept 26, 2022 19:47:12 GMT -5
Spelled my own moniker wrong. I think I am having good luck with the Virginia Cock/cox families due to a small population group--- talk about cousins marrying cousins! Sorry Zib! Should have remembered! Chris Australia GEDMATCH A665883 Ancestry Username coolgarra Webpage www.chriswright.id.au
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Post by zibetha on Sept 26, 2022 20:56:19 GMT -5
No problem! My father called me Zibetha Jane when he thought I was acting haughty. I am not Let's nail this connection down. Zib formerly known as Zub via her own typo
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Post by zibetha on Sept 27, 2022 6:07:22 GMT -5
I am not happy continuing this post as it takes me to a place of shame?? in terms of race. I have DNA matches with people "of color' and then some of my Cornish relatives enumerated as mulattos. On a line I don't explore here, I descend from Quakers and Church of the Brethren -Swiss.They were pacifists and non-violent and on the Underground Railroad. I have been considered to be Native American, Black and Argentinian. You pick. Slavery appalls me, and to have that turn up in my match list is distressing. My family immigrated between the 1870s an0d 1920 when my paternal grandfather and his mother were able to leave Belgium. With the one exception, my great-grandfather, Jesse Roach, born Kinsey in Indiana.
The only possible explanations I can find are The Cock/Cox family in Virginia,a Blewett child who was transported and a Harvey==Onysephorus who left jewels in the Tower of London and disappeared possibly to America--- I have DNA matches in the US related to that story.
Zib
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Post by zibetha on Sept 27, 2022 16:04:09 GMT -5
I think I see a gap between cousins attempting to work back from the US to England and me working in the other direction.
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Post by zibetha on Sept 27, 2022 21:09:13 GMT -5
I really think the only way to crack this open is via DNA matching. I am calling on my cousins here.
Zib
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Post by zibetha on Oct 30, 2022 18:55:23 GMT -5
I am still working on the Cock family Cornwall to USA. There are a lot of (State of) Virginia genealogy publications on line now that that I didn't see on previous attempts to sort the family out. They are confusing as their were other Cock families from England who were in the same area. AS best as I can sort it out, the basics are that the US immigrants were sons of Thomas Cock 1612 of St Columb Minor: Thomas 1652, William 1654 and Walter 1657 along with their nephew, Christopher 1677, whose father was their elder brother, Christopher 1643. I think Christopher 1643 went to the USA later based on a land patent filed in 1699 by his brother William to bring 12 persons over from England to Virginia. My ancestor Christopher Cock would have been the brother of Thomas 1612. My focus at present is William 1654. When his will was probate in 1720 in Virginia, he left a widow, Mary. But he immigrated in/about 1690, so I suspected she was a 2nd wife. Looking back to records from Constantine, William and wife Bathsheba baptized children William JR 1678, Walter 1680, Richard 1683, Nicholas 1685, Richard 1688, and Thomas 1691. From USA information there was also a daughter Mary who may have been the eldest. Today I found the younger son Richard's burial at Constantine in 1687 www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=4580803 as Richard CORK son of William, and then his mother, Bathsheba, as Be-sheba CORk wife of William cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=4580843. It all fits. I haven't found a marriage for William and Bathsheba. Of interest also is that William's brother Christopher and wife Grace (Bolitho) baptized a daughter Bathsheba on the same date as the burial of William's wife, Bathsheba. In 1699, William filed for a land patent on 500 acres to bring over 12 people from England to Virginia. Names include Mary, William Jr, Walter, Nicholas, Richard, Thomas and Christopher. I think the first were his children and the last, possibly his brother whose son was already in Virginia. That leaves me with questions: who was William's wife Bathsheba? Did Brother Christopher and wife Grace Bolitho both come to the US? There are references in his will that Christopher JR 1677 entrusted the care of three of his daughter to and uncle and aunt Bolithoe, but I have been unable to figure out who they were. Siblings or cousins of Grace? The search goes on, but if any can add suggestions of opinions,it would be appreciated! So far I have been able to link DNA matches to brothers Thomas, Walter and Christopher. Nothing for William yet, but I have hundreds in the Southern US States that never made any sense to me previously. Zib
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 31, 2022 6:45:02 GMT -5
And chances are that you may not. The registers for Helston between 1653 and 1696 are lost which is the primary reason I have been able to find nothing more on the families of Christopher Cock or Christopher Trewhella. CT
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Post by donne on Apr 23, 2024 6:55:51 GMT -5
I have conjectured that the William NENES marriage of 10 May 1617 in St. Erth was actually to Jane DUN, a daughter of Paskaw DUN and Christian ELLIS formerly of Camborne. I can't find a baptism record for Jane, but I find support for my theory in the will of Paskaw DUN (written 20 Feb 1625 and proved 11 Jan 1630) which specifies a bequest to WILLIAM NYNNYS and JANE his wife 2 sh. 'and to every one of their children' 1 sh. I'm just revisiting this old thread after trying to make sense of a low confidence DNA match with a tester whose published tree includes a descent from Elnor NYNNYS bap 19 Aug 1627 at Perranuthnoe. I have attributed all the St. Erth/ Perranuthnoe baptisms from 1618 to 1627 with William NYNNYS as the father (no mother's name recorded) to the NYNNIS/DUN marriage. However, my DNA match attributes Elnor's birth to the union of a William NYNNYS/ Elizabeth ROWE, and indeed there is a marriage between this pair recorded 18 Nov 1610 at Perranuthnoe. To establish a family link, it would be tempting to assume that the same William NYNNES was involved in both marriages, and that the Jane DUN marriage was his second, but I can find no record of an Elizabeth NYNNES burial prior to 1617 which would have given some plausibility to the theory.
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