I am trying to trace Matthew Thomas who married Eleanor Williams ? Their children Elizabeth Thomas b. 5th June 1808 ST.Ives. she had a brother Thomas and sister Mary. I found Thomas in Bristol on the 1851 census. I do not know where either Eleanor Williams or Matthew came from but may be from Zennor.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 4, 2016 23:46:53 GMT -5
Hi Ullie - I am not sure where or how you came by your information but it may take some work to find your answers.
If we start with the only helpful piece of information you have, the baptism record of Elizabeth, then we are looking at a family with no direct Williams connections. Here is what I have:-
1. Matthew Thomas married Eleanor GILBERT 31st January 1808 at St Ives 2. Elizabeth is the name that appears in the register but I suspect this is a clerical error and should be Eleanor. The baptism took place on 5th June 1808 at St Ives as you mentioned. 3. Eleanor daughter of Matthew Thomas married Henry Laity Rogers at St Ives in 1832.
The only children I have for Matthew and Eleanor are as follows:- Eleanor (Elizabeth) bp. 5th June 1808 St Ives Matthew bp. 17th January 1812 St Ives Mary bp. 21st January 1814 St Ives (buried 18th December 1815 St Ives) Mary bp. 18th December 1815 St Ives Charlotte bp. 7th August 1824 St Ives (buried 16th September 1824 St Ives)
Son Matthew married Alice Trezise in 1839 and the only child left at home in 1841 was youngest surviving daughter Polly (Mary). I know of no other children and have not been able to find any record of other possible children.
I am interested to learn how or why you think there was a son named Thomas in this family and how you were able to identify him from the 1851 Census. There are a number of Thomas Thomases at Bristol in 1851 but I have not found one who could be part of the above family.
If you could give me the exact details of that 1851 Census entry I would like to have a look at it to see what further information I can gather that might help with the identification.
As for Matthew and Eleanor - if they are part of your family then I can at least identify Matthew for you. He was baptised at St Ives 29th June 1783 son of Peter Thomas and Honor Quick. They were both baptised at St Ives and were married in that Parish 18th June 1775.
Thank you for replying to my entry so quickly. You are right, I had extra notes on Eleanor [Elizabeth] which are buried in a mountain of papers at the moment. With my memory not as good as it should be I was wrong with some of my details. I'm sure there was a Thomas Thomas but he might have been the son of Matthew[the son] It is Matthew brother to Eleanor [Elizabeth] living in Nailsea Bristol in the 1851 census He has a daughter Alice who in the 1861 census is visiting Eleanor and Henry Rogers. Mary Thomas was a witness on Eleanor and Henry Rogers wedding cert. And you have solved a question I have pondered on for years, one of Eleanor and Henry's children William called one of his children Robert Quick Rogers. I knew it had to be a surname but could not work out where it fitted in. Thank you. I have a long way to go with this family as I cannot find any trace of Matthew [Bristol] after the 1851 census or that of Mary [Polly] or Eleanor's sister Mary.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 5, 2016 23:06:36 GMT -5
William called one of his children Robert Quick Rogers
That name may have other origins as William Rogers married Mary Jane Quick Richards at St Ives in 1864. Mary Jane was the illegitimate daughter of Jane Richards so the name Robert Quick might be a clue to the identity of her own father. Mary Jane's mother married Robert Beckerleg at St Ives in 1842.
I currently don't have any further information on the remaining children of Matthew and Eleanor Thomas either but feel free to post queries at any time and I will be happy to try and help you find the answers.
I have an extensive tree but I realised recently that I had not focussed on my 2nd great grandmother, Jane Williams Rodda... My 3rd GG were John Thomas Rodda and Jane Williams. I think my 4th GG were Joseph Rodda (b. 1791 around Crowan) and Mary Stephens, and 5th GG may be Joseph Rodda (b. 1762) and Charity Thomas... (Who later married Thomas Liddicote) .. a baptism record showed Zennor as where she was baptised...
This would make me a direct descendant of Matthew Thomas as well?