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Sept 18, 2010 1:06:29 GMT -5
Post by melanie on Sept 18, 2010 1:06:29 GMT -5
Hello everyone,
I have been curious to know if there are many families out there who have found twins in their lines. I have two in my Grenfell line and they could also have picked up the gene from the Bones, Nickles or the Warrens. Just a thought. Perhaps some links could be indicated by some research in that area?
Melanie
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Sept 18, 2010 5:41:39 GMT -5
Post by Mal on Sept 18, 2010 5:41:39 GMT -5
I have found quite a few twins, or at least "suspected" twins. I don't know if "twinhood" is genetic or not however it seems to run in some families more than others. A word of caution with twins pre 1837- just because two were baptised on the same day it does not necessarily mean they were twins. I have a couple of examples of children of different ages being baptised and plenty of baptisms on the same day. Unless you have the birthdate recorded, as NC baptisms tend to do, it's difficult to say whether they be indeed twins or not.
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Sept 18, 2010 5:56:29 GMT -5
Post by white on Sept 18, 2010 5:56:29 GMT -5
Hi Melanie, One caution. If you are assuming children baptised on the same day as being twins, take care. They may have been born at different times with either one or both baptised late. Roy
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Sept 18, 2010 8:21:58 GMT -5
Post by melanie on Sept 18, 2010 8:21:58 GMT -5
True, I know my family in St Hilary waited and had all their kids christened when the Weslyan minister came around. I think the two cases I have are twins. But, I do accept the possibility that they weren't. I can't remember off hand whether I have baptism or christening dates, now I will have to back through my notes and check.
melanie
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Sept 18, 2010 8:51:49 GMT -5
Post by melanie on Sept 18, 2010 8:51:49 GMT -5
Ok, I've checked one: Richard and Catherine, son and dahghter of Richard Grenfell, twins. Jan 19 Dec 1772 from the Gulval Parish registers.
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Sept 18, 2010 10:07:29 GMT -5
Post by melanie on Sept 18, 2010 10:07:29 GMT -5
I have found completely different dates on the OPC for my other pair but they are listed as the same age in the 1841 census. I haven't found them on the 1851 yet, so I can't back that one up yet. The OPC dates are more likely to be correct.
melanie
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Sept 18, 2010 10:45:32 GMT -5
Post by tonymitch on Sept 18, 2010 10:45:32 GMT -5
Yes, caution re twins......I believe that recent research indicates that incidence of twins is not genetic. However....look at the following. Mary and Louisa Oats bp 1845 known to be twins. Mary had 6 children. Of these 6 children none had twins, but in the subsequent generation thee of Mary's grandchildren had twins. Yet epidemiological research tends to indicate there is no genetic link.....Makes you wonder
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Sept 18, 2010 14:18:29 GMT -5
Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 18, 2010 14:18:29 GMT -5
Melanie - From the posts involved in this discussion there is one thing that has not yet been clarified - 1841 Census. In 1841 ages were recorded differently to subsequent Census returns. For persons aged 15 and over the age need only be rounded down to the nearest 5. You will therefore see plenty of examples of two or more children in a family aged 15 or 20. But there is another example where two children might 'appear' as twins. This is the case in my own family but I will use fictitious dates to explain it. The Census question asks for the age 'at last birthday' so ...... Census Date 15th April 1851Person 1. born 1st May 1845 - age at last birthday = 5Person 2. born 1st April 1846 - age at last birthday = 5Not twins - but they would appear so on the Census. CT
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Sept 20, 2010 9:08:19 GMT -5
Post by melanie on Sept 20, 2010 9:08:19 GMT -5
Good point CT. But checking my anomalies shows 3 years between them according to the OPC, so I suspect just a common or garden variety error in the census.
Still I have one pair of twins and I am still interested enough to note when any others crop up.
Melanie
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Sept 20, 2010 13:47:00 GMT -5
Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 20, 2010 13:47:00 GMT -5
Melanie - my last point is probably better used in relation to the later Census records. However, you have a set of twins confirmed and your original query is quite valid so I hope you can get some answers. But the collective advice here suggests to anyone with 'possible' twins to check the Parish Register to see if they are noted as such. What does make life difficult is when multiple baptisms for the one family occur on the same day but no mention is made for any birthdates! I found this, yet again, in a record only a couple of days ago where five children were baptised at St Day in 1865 but the only way I could find out when they were born was from FreeBMD and the Census. CT
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Sept 20, 2010 14:32:49 GMT -5
Post by tonymitch on Sept 20, 2010 14:32:49 GMT -5
I did a bit of work years ago concerning incidence of twins. I understand that identical twins do not run in families except by coincidence. (Yet my lot had to my knowledge three sets of twins in my generation following a gap in the preceding generation, stemming from good old Mary Oats who was an identical twin). It was thought, when I did my studies, that non identical twins COULD run in families, but only on the mother's side. This is due to what I think is termed 'hyper-ovulation' (not to be confused with hyperventilation which can occur when the father discovers the woman is expecting twins). Males can pass the 'hyper' gene on, but as they don't ovulate you have to wait for a female who has this gene to perhaps oblige. But be warned...it's a complex genetic minefield, almost as complex as family history. Tony M
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Nov 15, 2011 9:57:43 GMT -5
Post by eve on Nov 15, 2011 9:57:43 GMT -5
My mum was one of twins, born in 1920 in St Just. My mum's twin died at 6 months, and my mum died at 87.
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