Also there is Kathy Weigel's great Cornish Database site which appears to be connected somehow to this one (hmmmm, see the azazella part? curious.......) I recall Dave contributed to the Hocktree where all names are spelled "Hockin": webs.lanset.com/azazella/cornish_database.html
Scroll down to the Hocktree. (Please also see Cocktree on same site, as it also contains many Hockings.) You might also want to check out the Gwithian page, which has more info on the Hockings "of Gwithian"
On that page are Hocking leases from 1768 to 1906, including a mention of Wm Hocking & Paul's Green! (Tho not the one kerthen has mentioned prev. This one is from 1851.) I have copied the listings and highlighted the pertinent ones, but it's quite long, so didn't want to post it here. If anyone would rather have my copy, let me know and I can send it by email. Isn't this fun? When it's not driving us (me) crazy? Anna
I think the "codswallop" might have been directed more at the dogmatic assertion that West Penwith folks were NEVER Hockens -- at least that is where I would find it particularly accurate. No comment on Dave's research of his Wadebridge lot. Just don't tell me that 'my' HOCKENs can't be HOCKENs when they are written that way.
Anna, the Ratcliffe and Henderson catalogue on A2A is full of very useful stuff. Many of the references from the mid-19th cent that talk about Richard HOCKING are referring to one of Thomas and Sally's sons.
The reference Roger Donne made to the Kerthen Wood RODDA and HOCKYN lease may be this one: Kirthen [no ref. or date]
[no title] RH/1/1873 16 Jan 1767
Contents: 99 yr. lease (lives of lessee's s. Jn., Jas. s. of Jas. Richards of Helston, merchant, and Jn., s. of Jn. Rowe of Helston, gent.); rent 1/8 (no. 5).. (1) Francis, Lord Godolphin, to (2) Hugh Rogers of Helston, esq. Consideration: surrender of RH/1/1734 lease to Wm. Hockyn, and £20. Messuage or dwelling-house erected by Tobias Rodda with garden and parcel of land (5a.) formerly part of Kirthen Down, late occ. Wm. Hockyn, then Wm. Symons, now of lessee.
I would like to see that on a map because Wm SYMONS held land between Pauls Green and Leedstown and if that is the land in question, it would make sense (it would also make it likely on the north side of Bosence Road as the south side between Pauls Green and Leedstown in part of the Manor of Helligan and Clowance, not Godolphin (but SYMONS held land there, too). He is the father of Honor SYMONS/SYMONDS/SEMMENS who married John RALPH and is the mother of William RALPH, b 1778, whose son William (with Elizabeth BARKER), born 1806, married Elizabeth HOCKING (daughter of Thomas and Sally).
So all the places fit rather well -- as do the people. That could mean that Tobias RODDA was the father of Margaret RODDA who married Thomas HOCKING (b 1719). Haven't found any records to prove or disprove that yet.
And yes, Jane was Jennifer/Ginephor. She married Samuel Edwards 10 June 1854 in Crowan.
Anna, if the Lease you are referring to in the RH papers from 1851 is this one: [no title] RH/1/1884 24 June 1851
Contents: 99 yr. lease (lives of Hen., s. of Hen. Hosking, Wm. Roberts, s. of Jn. Cock of Crowan, miner, and Wm., s. of Wm. Hocking of Paull's Green, Crowan); rent 3/- (no. 18). (1) Francis Godolphin D'arcy, Duke of Leeds, to (2) Jn. Goldworthy of Trewinnard, St. Erth, yeo. Plot of waste and uncultivated ground in Townshend village, part of Kirton tenement, being on n. side of and adj. field called Higher Barn Close
then the William HOCKING who is the father is, I believe, the son of Thomas and Sally, and the boy in the lease is his son, William, born 1839. A check of the lease for details would ordinarily give his age, but I don't have a copy of it. William HOCKING (the son of Thomas and Sally) married Mary COLENSO in 1836. The boy William was their eldest son. (They also had another son, Thomas, and several daughters, one called Prudence).
Post by annafhall48 on Oct 30, 2010 15:57:25 GMT -5
Howdy - (just to be clear, I'm NOT from Texas- just wanted to change up my greeting)
Do any of you know about Hockings who ended up maybe in Canada? I found several Hockin/g photos in a book that helps one date old photos and it's pub in Canada. Tried to contact the person who submitted them, thru the publisher, but never got a reply from her. They may NOT necessarily be from Canada, so many of you might be interested! One of the women was named Sarah, dated 1866 (she looks remarkably like my ancestor Prudence Taylor whose mother was a Sarah!; another was William; then Jane & Joseph dated 1860; Jos 1850; John 1865; Mary 1865; Hocking Fam 1919; Children 1891. Only the Joseph is a name we haven't been discussing Anna PS: if you're interested can I post the pix here? Or you can try to get the books from: familychronicle.com/special_description.htm (I got copies from my library)
Post by kfcampbell on Jan 12, 2011 12:23:55 GMT -5
I just thought I'd say thank you for everyone posting all of this great information up here its been very helpful to me. I'm also a descendant of Thomas and Sally through their son Richard and his wife Ann Ralph and their daughter Ann Emma Hocking who married George Taylor Simmons/Semmons/Semmonds. (Her sister Jane married George's brother Edwin Simmons). Ann and George moved to Shamokin PA but our family has stayed in touch with family in Cornwall. They had 3 children Richard "Chrysanthemum" who was a Dr and played football at Penn State, Clarence who went to China for a number of years in the 1920's with his wife, and Zella Hocking Simmons my great grandmother who married Ralph Stewart Fisher.
I was very interested to learn that Richard's sister Prudence's descendants the Taylors and Bartles also end up in Shamokin PA. My mother grew up in that area and knew Jane Hocking and Edwin Simmon's grandchildren who came to the Shamokin area a generation later than George and Ann, and she knew and visited relatives in Cornwall, but my mother never knew that the Taylors and Bartles were related at all and they lived in the same area. It seems very strange to me. And I was wondering if anyone knew about these Taylors and Bartles who came to PA and if they knew they had cousins living there already?
There are also Simmon's and Harvey's initially from Crowan Cornwall who migrated to the Iron Mountain Michigan area about the same time as Ann Hocking and George Simmons did.
Does anyone happen to know anything about Ann Ralph (1817 Crowan - 1904 Helston) married to Richard or her parents. I have it down that her father was named John (1776-) and mother Ann (1781-), but I'd like to know if anyone can confirm this information or if they have anything that disagrees or if they have more to add. Any help would be appreciated.
Hi KC, Thanks very much for the information about the Taylors and Bartles families and the Hockings who ended up in PA. Who knew!! Well, obviously you knew some of them did. But I didn't. I can probably help with the RALPHs but we should probably take it into a different thread so it doesn't get too tangled up with the HOCKINGs, though they were very tangled!
My gg-grandfather was Thomas Hocken RALPH, son of William RALPH, b 1806, and Elizabeth HOCKING, daughter of Thomas and Sally.
CT, where should we take this thread so that it deals with the RALPHs and doesn't get mixed up with all the HOCKING stuff?
Well they were of Crowan, but before that they "were of St Erth" and before that they "were of St Hilary." And I strongly suspect that sometime before that they "were of Gunwalloe." But I can't prove the last bit -- yet.
So we can create a RALPH of Crowan to start with, or we can create a RALPH of St Erth or we can go to surnames and just create a RALPH folder there -- or maybe you can, because I can't see how to do that.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 14, 2011 22:26:12 GMT -5
Kerthen - I had some discussion with Zenobia a few months ago about the make-up of the various Sections here and one thing that came of that was a 'regret' at having created a forum for separate Surnames.
When you think about it there is a whole book on Cornish Surnames!
And I am not sure that it was envisaged the site would become so popular.
So the Surname option is out.
In this case I think we need to probably begin with 'Ralph of Crowan'. I am sure there will be several generations of the family and it will go back at least a couple of generations prior to particular names that have already been mentioned.
Hi, I'm from Australia and have researched this side of the family tree. I too am related to Thomas and Sally. Their son Simon also had a son Simon.This Simon (b1855-6) married Alice Eva and had 7-8 children. One of their Children, Mabel (b1886) is my grandmother. She emmigrated to Australia. I don't know of any other living ancestors except what I read about today. Please feel free to contact.
Hello Again I have just read this last message from Bruce. Simon( 1855) was my GG grandfather and Mabel was my Great Aunt. I am descended from Minnie(1881) her sister. I never knew that Mabel emmigrated to Oz. Any information about the other family members would be welcome. A Happy Christmas to all who run this fantastic site!!