Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 3, 2010 11:26:24 GMT -5
Thanks- just getting used to this site! Thomas Hocking1781 born Crowan was my 4 times G. Grandfather. Sally Hocking (1781) his wife. Simon their son was my 3 times G. Grandfather.Some confusion tho' over Sally as mother as Simon's mother might be a Catherine (IGI ). I'd like to find out Thomas' father and mother as well. Not got anywhere so far. Other offspring Mary(1826) Prudence,(1826) Ginephor(1827), Margaret.1829)Possibly a Richard (1815) Bettina
Okay - the first thing we are looking at then is:-
Thomas HOCKING married Sarah TAYLOR 23rd January 1803 at Crowan
That should be your Thomas and 'Sally' so we need to find out why Simon's mother was recorded as Catherine when he was baptised.
Looks like a bit of searching around for me tomorrow.
Good work Holmes!! I did think that Simon might have been married twice as I found other children Jane (1859)Richard ((1865 )Marget (1868). But I got the 2nd wife as a Jane (1818) Looks like this info. is wrong now.Thanks for your trouble and time. Bettina
I think Simon did marry 3 times 1. Eliz. Richards childless marriage 2. Amelia( my gg grandmother) children - Amelia 1852, Simon 1855 3.Jane Reynolds- children- Jane 1859, Richard 1864, Ellen 1865, Marget 1868. Why didn't they marry for 18 months? Money? Illness? Illegitimacy seems to run in my family! Great grandfather Simon(1855)seems to have had a child out of wedlock before marriage too! Many thanks for all your hard work. Bettina
Post by annafhall48 on Sept 8, 2010 18:04:28 GMT -5
Dear CT - Bettina and I are distant rels recently connected. Our ancestral link is thru the Hockings - specifically Thomas & Sarah's daughter Prudence, born 1820. Her dau Prudence Taylor b: 1844 was my ggg g'mother. Have just read thru your discussions and was very impressed by the data you were able to locate! I would like to join this discussion and have the following question: I believe Thomas Hocking was the son of Bartholomew Hocking, son of Barth 1711 (bc:1746-47) & Theodosia Hocking (dau of John 1708) bapt March 5,1737, both Camborne. If so, Thos was baptised in Camborne April 22,1781/died Mar Q 1848. He had at least two brothers: Barth, bapt Oct 24,1773; John, bapt Oct 15,1775/died bef Oct 29, 1855. I have a lot of info on this poss link, going back to 1642......I'm hoping we can determine if these are the right p's for Thomas? There is much evidence to suggest this is the case, such as the Camborne connection mentioned by "Bettina". But because T&S did not name any children after these two, there's a bit of doubt............ You mentioned another Thos bapt in St Hillary - I wonder if he was related to Thos bapt Oct 12, 1800 in St Hillary? The fact that Sarah was born in St Hillary makes this a thread worth following. But I also found a bunch of Thos Hocking marriages in other places: Gwithian 1696/to Eliz Cock; 1848/to Sally Rodda- a surname which appears very freq in our tree, Helston 1802 to Jane Edwards, St Erth 1825/to Nancy Ellis, Breage 1825/to Catherine Thomas - could this be the Catherine we thot was incorrectly transc as Simon's mother? So these Thos could be related to our Thos somehow, I suppose, but I've been pretty strictly staying with the Hockings of Camborne/St Hillary/Crowan. This is quite a tangle - perhaps THE most difficult branch of my tree to sort out. Not for the feint of heart! ANY help would be greatly appreciated. sincerely, ah
Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 8, 2010 19:20:07 GMT -5
Hello AH and welcome to the site.
I have spent some time reading through your note and checking various bits and pieces and then reading again and again.
After my final check I have to say that I am doubtful about the connection to Bartholomew.
What I do know about Thomas is that he was still alive in 1841 when he was living at Crowan with wife Sally and a number of the children.
In 1851 Sally was a widow with one daughter, Jane, and three grandchildren living at home. Sally stated her birthplace as St Hilary and gave her age as 69 which is remarkably accurate. These details along with the fact that a Richard Taylor was a witness to her marriage suggests she was baptised at St Hilary 29th September 1782 daughter of Richard and Prudence.
We also know from this that Thomas died sometime between June 1841 and April 1851.
Taking all known information into account this narrows the field down to one burial:-
Thomas Hocking of Crowan age 67 buried 11th November 1845 at Crowan
As Sarah's details in 1851 appear to be accurate I think it is a reasonable assumption that Thomas was indeed aged 67 when he died.
That being the case then his birth would have occurred about 1778.
Even allowing for a year or two either side we are looking for a birth/baptism around about 1777-1780.
The one Thomas Hocking baptised at Camborne in 1777 appears to have been buried at Camborne in 1834 age 57.
Thomas son of Bartholomew would have been 64 or possibly 65 in 1845 so must be considered less likely.
But we have to possibilities at St Hilary who were both baptised in 1778 and I believe Thomas was one of these.
6th May 1778 Thomas son of Richard and Margaret 22nd November 1778 Thomas son of Thomas and Catherine
Either could be the right one but I would be more inclined towards the son of Richard and Margaret as both names appear among the children of Thomas and Sarah.
Looking at the names of children is always a worthwhile excercise and it is often this that provides the clues to the correct answer.
From the Taylor side we have a Richard and also a Prudence which helps support the conclusion of Sarah's baptism and we also have Sarah.
On the Hocking side the possible names we would 'like to see' that might help identify Thomas would be Thomas, Catherine, Richard and Margaret.
We certainly have a Thomas and then we have Richard and Margaret ................. but there is no Catherine!
This part of the excercise is the one I usually like.
Thomas and Sarah had SEVEN daughters and FOUR sons which gives us quite a bit to play with.
Sarah - named for her mother Prudence - named for her maternal grandmother Margaret - possibly named for her paternal grandmother Elizabeth - Mary - Martha - Jenifer -
Thomas - named for his father Richard - probably named for his maternal grandfather but possibly also for his paternal grandfather John - Simon -
Most notably there is NO Catherine, NO Bartholomew and NO Theodosia.
There is enough evidence to suggest a common naming pattern so the omission of these names I think is important.
Everything seems to be pointing to Richard and Margaret being the parents of Thomas but it is not yet conclusive so I need to think about the other names.
Nothing really spectacular about Elizabeth, Mary, Martha or Jenifer in the girls names.
And John is certainly not a standout name for a son.
But SIMON is another matter all together!
There appears to have been no Simon in the Taylor families in Cornwall from what I can see in the IGI but it IS a name that can be found in the Hocking families.
Unfortunately the nearest Simon to have been of the same generation as Thomas was over at Falmouth.
Hmmm - another slight problem has arisen!
The wife of Richard Hocking was not Margaret at all but instead was MARGERY as I found out when looking at the original marriage record.
I am going to have to think some more on this now although I am reasonably confident that there is no immediate connection to Bartholomew.
I have been absent from the forums for a while, but I would like to chip in on this thread if I may. I too am connected to the Thomas Hocking & Sally Taylor line through their daughter Elizabeth and her husband William Ralph.
I did a lot of searching for Thomas because he is not in the baptismal records of Crowan. However the lease book of Godolphin Manor shows William Hocking to have a particular piece of land at Noonvares/Pauls Green in 1792 or so (don't have the record in front of me). He holds the land in two lives, that of himself and his son Thomas. I will get the record and quote it exactly for you as soon as I can. But the Thomas is the Thomas who married Sally Taylor -- right age according to census of 1841 AND it is land that Thomas himself held at the 1840 tithe apportionment.
The William Hocking who is Thomas's father was the husband of Elizabeth TIPPET. They had three other children, all of whom have baptisms registered at Crowan. So my guess is that Thomas was baptised there, too, but it didn't get recorded. They lived a good distance from Crowan parish church -- much closer in fact to St Erth, Gwinear and Breage, as well as quite close to the chapel of ease for St Erth, so he may have been baptised at any one of them and simply not recorded.
William HOCKING, his father, is the son of Thomas HOCKING and Honour RODDA, whose children, including a Simon, were baptised at Crowan during the late 1740s, 50s and 60s.
My ggg-grandfather's brother, William RALPH, was living with his uncle Simon in the 1851 census at Townshend. The other three RALPH children were living with Sally TAYLOR HOCKING.
I wll be back with the post of the lease info as soon as I can.