Richard and Priscilla Glasson

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Morning CT

I have another scenario that you, or others, may be interested to focus on when you have a moment?

I started with Priscilla Glasson, head of household in the 1871 to 1901 census. She had two children; Richard and William C. Pretty quickly worked out that William C. was William Curnow Glasson and that Priscilla Curnow married Richard Glasson in the June qtr of 1861. Found Richard Glasson (21 of St Erth) and Priscilla Curnow (33 of Towednack) both boarding at the same house in Amalveor in the 1861 census. Priscilla was therefore the daughter of William and Mary Curnow and baptised at Towednack in 1827. In one of the census the elder Richard was listed as working abroad and it appears as if he died while overseas. Also both children; Richard and William Curnow appear in the baptism registers at Towednack.

At this stage I have not sighted the marriage record for Richard and Priscilla.

However, Richard senior was most likely born in the Redruth district, June qtr 1840, and baptised at Phillack on the 29th August 1841 to Charles and Blanch Glasson.

All good so far.

Charles Glasson married Blanch Trythall at the Register Office in 1839 - he was 45, a widower, an engineer, and son of John Glasson a farmer. Blanch was aged 36, a widow, the daughter of Michael Curnow and therefore the widow of John Trythall who died in 1836 at St Erth where he married Blanch back in 1833.

The census for 1841 and 1851 for Charles and Blanch tend to agree with the data. Richard is the only son to this marriage and no other children appear with Charles from his first marriage.

So my qustions are:
Who was Charles - given that the nearest baptism that could possibly be him was at Camborne in 1790, parents being John Glasson and Elizabeth nee Bottrall. This means that he was closer to 50 than the 45 he stated at his second marriage.

Where did Blanch come from even if she said Towednack in the 1851 census? There is no baptism for her at Towednack that I can see.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Lannanta - information I received many years ago states that Richard Glasson and Priscilla Curnow were married 20th May 1861 at Penzance.

I now have the Penzance Marriages 1837-1867 and this event is not recorded there.

As they were living at Towednack in 1861 logic suggests that they would have married there but again I have those registers and there is no record.

That means that they were probably married at the Registry Office.

A little work to do and I will hopefully have some answers for you very soon.

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

Lannanta - I believe I can solve the mystery for you!

We are dealing once again with a case of Name Changes which will explain why you have a couple of events that you were not able to find.

But first to Charles Glasson which should be the shorter part of this dialogue.

In the 1851 Census Charles and Blanch were at North of Trevassack, Phillack.

Charles GLASSON, head, mar, 63, time keeper at factory, Camborne
Blanch do., wife, mar, 45, Towednack
Elizabeth TRYTHALL, daur, unm, 17, dress maker, St Erth
Richard GLASSON, son, 12, St Erth

As you can see Charles age is recorded as 63 which means that the 1790 baptism you quoted is probably the correct person.

Go back to the 1841 Census and Charles is a mere child! - age age 40!

At that time he and Blanch, along with son Richard age 1 and Elizabeth Jane Trithall age 7 , were at St Erth.

And now for the saga of Blanch Curnow ................... who was not actually a Curnow at all .......... or was she?

Blanch daughter of Michael and Blanch RENODEN is recorded as being baptised at Towednack 25th December 1805.

In this one record we have no less than three misleading points!

In an effort to keep this as short as possible I will lay out the events in a time-line beginning with the first known event in the family.

Michael son of Jane RENODEN bp. 15th October 1775 Towednack

I have not yet found proof of who the father was but I think it becomes fairly obvious that he was 'a' Michael Curnow.

By November 1802 Michael has had a slight change of name:-

Michael Curnow RENODEN married Margaret MICHELL 23rd November 1802 at Towednack.

The following children were obvious members of this family:-

Michael son of Michael Curnow and Margaret Renoden was baptised 1st May 1803 at Towednack

BLANCH daughter of Michael and Blanch Renoden was baptised 25th December 1805 at Towednack

Mary daughter of Michael and Margaret Renoden was baptised 19th November 1809 at Towednack

Margaret daughter of Michael and Margaret Renoden was baptised 4th March 1813 at Towednack

It was at this point the trail seemed to go cold when I was looking at this family several years ago.

In fact it is only tonight that I have been able to add another piece to this puzzle and solve another little problem that has been lurking about my database for a long time.

In 1888 in Victoria there is a Death recorded for Mary NINNES age 75, birthplace Cornwall - father's name MICHAEL CURNOW.

I could find a marriage for Mary CURNOW and Daniel NINNES at St Ives in 1836 but I could find no Mary Curnow born anywhere near the right time whose father was named Michael.

The age recorded for Mary Ninnes when she died was 75 which gives a birth around 1812-13 .... but we are dealing with a death record in which case I am sure we have learnt to be wary of information provided for the Death Certificate.

I now believe that Mary was actually the child baptised at Towednack in 1809 as Mary RENODEN.

Add to this yet another little mystery that I believe can now be called 'solved'!

Also in my database for many years has been the following baptisms:-

Thomas son of Michael and Margaret CURNOW bp. 30th July 1815 Towednack
Jane daughter of Michael and Margaret CURNOW bp. 12th April 1818 Towednack
Grace daughter of Michael and Margaret CURNOW bp. 17th December 1820 Towednack
John Michael son of Michael and Margaret CURNOW bp. 22nd March 1825 Towednack

This has been a mystery purely because I have never been able to find a marriage for Michael CURNOW and Margaret!

I am now sure that this is all one family.

Michael and Margaret Renoden conveniently disappear into the ether.

Michael and Margaret Curnow suddenly appear - apparently out of that same ether!

The baptisms of the children flow very neatly from Renoden to Curnow.

Now let's add the marriage of Michael CURNOW and Sarah Baragwanath ROACH at Towednack in 1824.

I have never been able to find a baptism or, therefore, parents for Michael Curnow.

But he was buried at St Ives in 1850 age the age of 47 which, if accurate, places his birth about 1803 .................... remarkably the same year that Michael son of Michael Curnow Renoden was baptised!

Sometime between 1813 when Margaret was baptised and 1815 when Thomas was baptised there was a name change and the RENODEN family became the CURNOW family.

Which means that it was Blanch RENODEN who became Blanch CURNOW and then married John TRYTHALL and then secondly Charles GLASSON.

I hope this has been explained clearly enough.

CT

[sue]

Marvellous! To me, yes, the unfolding of the family is crystal clear!

Searching around before you posted this, what with Blanch not being a common name, the only rightish age Blanch d of Michael in the right patch seemed to be

Blanch daughter of Michael and Blanch RENODEN is recorded as being baptised at Towednack 25th December 1805.

But I hadn't thought further, as to getting her a Curnow name...

But are you saying the father of Jane Renoden's child Michael, bptzd 15 Oct 1775 was Michael Curnow who baptized that same day, same place, his son Thomas by wife Blanch Edwards he had married in 1774?

Wow!

Sue

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Hi Sue - before I respond to your note I will just add the following information that I just found.

Michael Curnow RENOWDEN age 55 was buried 30th September 1829 at Towednack

In answer to your question - no I am not saying which Michael Curnow I think was involved because I really don't know.

The inference is certainly there that the father was 'a' Michael Curnow and that is all I can really say just now.

Although I suppose it is possible that an earlier Michael Curnow was the father of the culprit.

Another possibility is the Michael Curnow who married Patience Daniel at St Ives in 1782.
He was a sojourner at that time and would have been about 19 when young Michael Renoden was born.

But it is certainly strange that Michael and Margaret chose to name their eldest daughter Blanch!

There is still work to be done on this lot.

CT

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CT

You have excelled yourself my friend.

I was led astray with respect to Charles as I has his age recorded as 53 in 1851 and never thought to check it as it sort of made sense with the rounded 40 in the 1841 census.

As for Blanch - I would never have got that in a month of Sundays, although I did ponder on a Curnow baptism for Michael and Margaret but quickly passed it by when I could not find a marriage for them.

It is good that you have found a place for me for this Charles. I now have only one to go and he and Anna Maria disappear off the face of the earth after being in Camborne in 1841 with children, but that is for another day.

Off to bed for me.

Many thanks

Allen

[Cornish Terrier]

Most welcome as usual.

Best you tell me about your other little problem.

I would presume it is Charles and Ann with five kids at Gas St, Camborne in 1841?

CT

[sue]

Just a final thought on Michael Curnow/Renoden of Towednack 1775 - 1829; I see the Blanch nee Edwards wife of Michael Curnow in Towednack who baptized their 1st child Thomas also in Towednack 1775, died age 79 in 1831.

I wonder if the will per CRO for Michael Curnow yeoman of Towednack 1838 could possibly be her elderly widower, there not seeming to be many other Michael Curnow yeomen around in Towednack at that time. There could be an outside chance of mentions of interest in this will if so, should he be linked to Michael Curnow/Renoden, given that the younger Michael had started being "officially" known by the name Curnow part way through his, Michael the younger's, middle years. Indeed there are other paternity candidates, I can see, thanks. I may put this on a list for documents of future interest.

And I must now back off as this is a Glasson thread!

Sue

[Cornish Terrier]

Sue - Curnow discussion opened in a more appropriate place.

Lannanta - you say that Charles Glasson was a widower when he married Blanch Trythall.

Could you supply details of the first marriage please and also some more complete details of the marriage to Blanch?

I have started to take a look at the problem of Charles Glasson and Anna Maria Clarke but have had to put it aside for a while in favour of food and sleep.

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

A possible 'find' regarding Chales and Anna Maria Glasson.

This may be no connection but .....................

Failing to find any record of the family in Emigration or Census records, no doubt similar to your own searches, I tried something else.

I searched the 1851 Census for anyone named Sarah who had been born at Camborne about 1830.

1851 Census Beeferris, Devon
Edward BENNETTS, head, mar, 22, miner, Beeferris
SARAH do., wife, mar, 21, CAMBORNE
Sarah Jane do., daur, 3, Beerferris
Edward do., son, 1, (America?) British Subject

From FreeBMD
March Qtr 1847
Tavistock R.D.
Edward BENNETTS
Sarah GLASSON

I'm thinking this might be a little helpful.

And notice the youngest child Edward - the writing is not the best but I believe the birthplace is America.

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

Lannanta - now that we are on the subject of Charles Glasson perhaps you can help me out.

Charles Glasson married Elizabeth Thomas at Gwennap 28th May 1828

In 1861 Charles stated birthplace was Gwennap and his age 50.

In 1851 Charles stated birthplace was Redruth and his age 45.

Do you know who he belongs to??

I have had him in the database for years as his son Thomas was married in Victoria in 1875 to Jane Barratt.

Given they baptised a daughter at Gwennap in 1798 I would be thinking this Charles was the son of Charles and Grace and baptised at Redruth in 1804.

If that is the case then the man who married Anna Maria Clarke is probably, by default, baptised at Camborne in 1803 son of Charles and Joanna.

Doesn't help find him later on but I would like to know if my thinking is right here.

CT

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CT

Lannanta - you say that Charles Glasson was a widower when he married Blanch Trythall.

Could you supply details of the first marriage please and also some more complete details of the marriage to Blanch?

I have started to take a look at the problem of Charles Glasson and Anna Maria Clarke but have had to put it aside for a while in favour of food and sleep

Details of the marriage between Charles and Blanch are on their way to you in an email. I will post the certificate details on the OPC database for anybody else interested, however if anybody is in a hurry to view it just send me an email address.

I do not have any confirmed details of the first marriage for Charles. My spreadsheet only has one available marriage left and that is in Falmouth in 1817 to Mary Dunstan. It is a pretty good match given that there were three children baptised at Crowan to Charles and Mary between 1818 and 1821 and one of the children was John Dunstone Glasson. Problem is that this Charles was said to be a farmer, as opposed to engineer in the second marriage certificate.

Of the three children, baptisms are Jane 12/12/1818, Charles 5/8/1820; and John Dunstone 24/11/1821. There is also a burial for a 2 year Charles on 1/4/1819 at Crowan and given there is no apparent baptism for this boy it may be he was born at Falmouth if I do have the correct family.

There is a marriage in 1842 in the Redruth District for John Dunstone Glasson and it could have been him in the 1841 census at Illogan - 20 year old agricultural labourer. Given that he is in the same house as Harriet Crothers it is a fair guess that she is the bride for John - probably married at Illogan and I have no records for there.

Daughter Jane is most likely back at Falmouth in the 1841 census living with an 85 year old Jane Dunstan - and then likely married in 1843 also at Falmouth.

This is all I have at the moment.

Lannanta

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CT

These Glassons are not mine as I have said before so I have not spent as much work on corroborating the evidence as I should so to speak. However, I agree that the Charles who married Elizabeth Thomas was the son of Charles Glasson and Grace Clemma - born at Gwennap most likely and baptised at Redruth on 23rd December 1804. First son was Charles and second daughter was Grace so I do not think that there is much doubt.

I find that I am still changing families from the linkages I originally downloaded from goodness knows where - back in my innocent days - although in defence of those earlier researches, they certainly did not have some of the data we have available so readily these days. Saying that I have Charles senior as the son of John Glasson and Ann Hampton.

Lannanta

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CT

Michael Curnow RENODEN married Margaret MICHELL 23rd November 1802 at Towednack.

This is not the first time in recent times that a subtle change of name has created some confusion.

Recently Robert Glasson Spurr used the full name of Robert Glasson Spurr at his marriage to Ann Uren and then also at least with his first born child in 1841 or so. But by the time daughter Alice was born 10 years later the Spurr had been dropped and the Glasson descendants of Robert and Ann Glasson are many but all with the surname Glasson and not Spurr. So from a legalese point of view their name is incorrect, however from a biological standpoint it is actually correct given that Robert Glasson Spurr's natural father was Robert Glasson.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

[quoteDaughter Jane is most likely back at Falmouth in the 1841 census living with an 85 year old Jane Dunstan - and then likely married in 1843 also at Falmouth.][/quote]

'Tis a pity the 1813-1837 Falmouth Marriages are not freely available at the moment!

I have been looking around for information that might help confirm some of these links.

Once I discovered that you meant Camborne (and not Crowan) for the baptisms of the children of Charles and Mary it became easier but it is still difficult.

From the IGI records there is no baptism for Charles around 1817 at Falmouth so that one is still a dead end at the moment.

But I may have had some more luck with the Dunstone connection.

If we work on the basis that Jane d/o Charles and Mary was with her Grandmother at Falmouth in 1841 then we might have a possible link.

Jane Dunstone was recorded as age 85 so should have been born sometime between 1752 and 1756 which means this may be part of her family:-

MARY d/o John and Jane Dunstone bp. 27th July 1783 Illogan
Jenifer d/o John and Jane Dunstone bp. 17th September 1786 Illogan
John s/o John and Jane Dunstone bp. 24th May 1790 Illogan

That would mean that Mary was about 34 when she married Charles Glasson and would help explain the small number of children.

Illogan also provides a link back to Camborne and Charles.

BUT! - having begun to compose this I took a closer look at the 1841 Census and found something that might suggest I am not quite correct.

Also in the household was Octavius Dunstone and (presumably) his wife Joice both age 45.

The only Octavius Dunstone in IGI was baptised at Mawnan 18th November 1792 son of Thomas and Jane .................. but I can find no Mary Dunstone with parents Thomas and Jane.

Octavius might have been a nephew I suppose.

Right now it seems Mary d/o John and Jane is the best bet.

John Dunstone married Jane Sparnon 24th May 1781 at Illogan

And there was a Jane Sparnon baptised in 1757 at Illogan which is just about close enough to be a match for Grandmother Jane at Falmouth in 1841.

Other than that I am going round in circles!

I will leave Charles' first marriage open for now I think.

CT