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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 3, 2010 16:02:09 GMT -5
The name is certainly PRICILLA in the baptism record but I suspect it is definitely going to be URSULA. The only Priscilla Daniel I know of was baptised at St Agnes 18th October 1819. As far as John Gluyas is concerned there are at least a couple of things to consider. First of all - there is no guarantee he was still alive in 1841 and if he were then there is no guarantee he was in Cornwall or even England at the time given his alleged profession. And then there is the possibility that his father was not actually John Gluyas at all. Being baptised as John Glewis Daniel does certainly suggest the father was John but it could also indicate that the father was a 'son of John Gluyas'. It would be very handy if we could find a Bastardy Bond which should tell us the name of the reputed father. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 3, 2010 16:22:36 GMT -5
This would be John Gluyas and Mary Bennetts who married at Breage 26th October 1824. Yes, he could be a possibility especially as this marriage is 18 months after the baptism of John Glewis Daniel. But then there was a John Gluyas baptised at St Erth in 1801. Most of the Gluyas people in Cornwall seem to have been centred in or around Wendron so if we work on the assumption that the father actually was John Gluyas then I would be inclined to start with this 'stray' at St Erth. Another point to think about. Did young John actually know his father or was he told enough about him to record those details when he was married? Or did he simply make up something to make the record look a little better? Hopefully we can find something that will answer the questions. CT
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Post by lennieaj on Aug 3, 2010 17:04:00 GMT -5
I took the "son of" underneath the John Glewis Daniel to mean he was a son of a Glewis not particularly a John. It was his wedding certificate that gave the name John. I will scan a copy of the baptism record to you Sarch tho' it isn't the best in the world. I know a little about the John that went to the States but will try chasing the St. Erth candidate. My John settled in Bristol with family John, Francis, Mary and Thomas the latter being my GGGreat grandfather. He died in Sydney, NSW after falling from a ship. Where would a bastardy bond be kept in Cornwall - would the St. Ives centre have details or the record office
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 3, 2010 17:41:47 GMT -5
I can verify now that it was this Prudence Daniel who married James Woolcock in 1859. James was previously married to Catherine (nee Humphrys) widow of Nicholas Wedge and he pre-deceased Ursula who died in 1874 at the age of 73. The Peggy Daniel with her in 1871 I would have to guess must be Mary Ann Daniel daughter of Ursula's brother Matthew. But 'Peggy' is usual Margaret and I have never seen it used for Mary Ann as far as I recall. (But there is no Margaret in the family!) The 1841 Census information shown by Sarch shows John Glewis Daniel and there is also a Mary Richards age 10 who was the daughter of Ursula's sister Mary who married William Richards at St Ives in 1831. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 3, 2010 17:51:57 GMT -5
Ah - I see. No the term 'son of' or 'daughter of' merely identified the gender of the child being baptised. I have found that many of the Clergy did not bother to use the term which makes it difficult with a name like FRANCIS/FRANCES where the handwriting is a little indifferent! So this one was saying that John Glewis Daniel was the 'son of' (base born) Pricilla Daniel. The Cornwall Record Office would probably be the best place to start. There may not have been one but it is certainly worth a try. CT
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Post by Sarch on Aug 4, 2010 0:13:11 GMT -5
Hi CT I am wondering why John dropped the surname Daniels? It seems as if he must have known his father? The only reason I can think of for parents not getting married is that he was married already or dead? Sarch
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 4, 2010 1:48:53 GMT -5
It does seem a little strange and perhaps he did know his father or at least know a little about him. And it does seem that once he took on the Gluyas name he stuck with it. Not like some other families I have dealt with in the last six or eight months!! Take Lannanta's Glasson problem of a couple of days ago. Robert Glasson turned out to be Robert Glasson Spur and used that name of his children while appearing in the 1841 Census as Glasson. Then in 1851 he decided he would be Ivey then reverted to Glasson. And then in 1891 his son decided he would be an Ivey for a while! But John Gluyas is our problem here and I am wondering if the information about the John going to America might be more use than I might have thought. It may depend on just when he left England. And if it was the man who married Mary Bennetts in 1824 that went to America then there is some more thinking to be done. That marriage occurred 18 months after young John was born so it gives cause to wonder just how the son would have known him. That then leads me back to John at St Erth but all I know about him at the moment is that he was the son of Richard and Susanna. Hmmmm ..... thinking!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 4, 2010 2:29:17 GMT -5
The key to this problem might be - FRANCIS. Francis was the name of the second child, a son, of John and Mary Paynter Gluyas and this is not a name from the Daniel side. It is a name common to the Gluyas families though! So just maybe the use of this name might provide the clue we are looking for. If so then it might rule out the St Erth link but then most of the Gluyas lines appear to go back to Wendron in any case. CT
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Post by Sarch on Aug 4, 2010 2:40:42 GMT -5
Hi CT I read Lannanta's post on Robert Glasson and was amazed that he was able to track the man down great detective work there I have checked OPC records for any sign of indenture for John Daniel/Gluyas but found nothing. I still can't find John and Mary Gluyas after 1851 Census - I can find a death on FreeBMD for a Mary Gluyas in 1858 but don't find her in Barnoon or on Christine Uphill's Cemetery Page Re the other John Gluyas b 1796 On Rootsweb I was able to find John Gluyas m to Mary Bennetts 26 Oct 1824 John was born 1796 Wendron died 1858 Asheboro, Randolph County, North Carolina, USA Buried Asheboro City Cemetery. Found a Newspaper article from 27 Sep 1858 Fayetteville NC Observer ObituaryIn Asheborough, on the 23d inst., JOHN GLUYS, aged 63. He was born in Cornwall, England, and had been a resident in this country about 24 years. In his death, the community in which he live has sus- tained a loss. He was a man of great industry, of the strictest integrity, of much mechanical skill, of exem- plary deportment, and a man who attentively "minded his own business John Gluyas & wife Mary Bennatts were in Guilford Co in 1850 John listed as an Engineer Found this article in "Gold and Railroads" Dr Dan L. Morrill Chapter 4 " Another native of Cornwall who emigrated to the North Carolina gold mines was John Gluyas . The Mecklenburg Gold Mining Company persuaded Gluyas to move from New York City to Charlotte in 1838 by paying him a salary of $84 per month and by providing him lodging and covering his traveling expenses. Gluyas's first job was to oversee the steam-powered machinery at the Capps Mine. He would eventually become superintendent of mines in Mecklenburg, Cabarrus, Davidson, and Montgomery counties. His son's house, the Thomas and Latitia Gluyas House , is a designated historic landmark on the Mt. Holly Huntersville Road" Also by Dan Morrill " The second son of John Gluyas (1796-1858), an experienced mining engineer from Cornwall, England, and Mary Bennetts Gluyas (1801-1876), Thomas Gluyas had accompanied his mother and father to the United States in 1837, when he was only eleven years old. In 1838 the family moved to Mecklenburg County, where John Gluyas became an official of the Mecklenburg Gold Mining Company and oversaw the steam-powered machinery at the Capp's Hill Gold Mine off Beatties Ford Road." Here is the URL for the Gold and Railroads article - www.danandmary.com/Historyofcharlottechapter4abs.htmJohn Gluyas seems to have had interests in various gold mining operations and seemed to have quite a lot of money but I cant find a will for him. He had interests in mines in Montgomery and Guilford counties, & had a partnership with William Treloar in the McCulloch Mine . The John Gluyas Papers includes a history of the family (4 pages written in 1911) www.lib.unc.edu/mss/inv/g/Gluyas,John.html Sarch
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 4, 2010 6:21:06 GMT -5
So that John was either son of John and Margaret or Oliver and Catherine Gluyas of Wendron with each baptising a son John in 1796. I am thinking he is not our man. In 1861 the two younger sons (Francis and Thomas) of John and Mary Gluyas were with Mary's parents at West Bridge, St Ives. John and Mary with eldest son John were at Bristol, St Mary Redcliff, Gloucestershire. Just search for 'John Gluyas' and you should find them easily as I have done. In 1871 John Gluyas is a lodger at St Cuthberts in Somerset. Mary and son Thomas were at St Stephens in Gloucestershire. I cannot find son John but Francis was then living at Bedminster, Somerset with his wife Sarah Ann. In 1881 John was an Accountant lodging in Bristol, Gloucestershire and appears to be widowed. Mary Paynter Gluyas died Bristol R.D. March Qtr 1875 age 50 CT
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Post by lennieaj on Aug 4, 2010 8:19:20 GMT -5
I have in my notes that the John that married Mary Bennett was the son of Oliver and Catherine baptised on the 7 Feb 1796 in Wendron tho' I also have John, son of John and Margaret baptised 25 Dec 1795 and married to Tomasine Tregonnig in 1822. Unfortunately this was info given by another member of my family and I have no proof if this is correct. Scribbled at the bottom of these notes is John b.1801 married Amelia Bonds 1845 which may refer to the St. Erth John. I knew the John's were a problem Lennie
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 4, 2010 8:47:36 GMT -5
Well what you have here still keeps John of St Erth in the hunt. The John Gluyas who married Amelia Bonds in 1845 is in the 1851 Census at Carharrack with Amelia. He was age 29 and she was age 24 and both were born at Gwennap. That puts this John's birth at around 1821 so he would have been only about 2 when your John was born. I presume the marriage to Thomasin Tregoning took place at Wendron? I had John and Thomasine in the database but had not found the marriage so did not know her maiden name. If you have the details it would be appreciated. But as I said in my previous - keep that name Francis in mind because I think that might lead us to the answer. CT
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Post by lennieaj on Aug 4, 2010 9:18:45 GMT -5
John's marriage to Thomasine 10 Dec 1822 at Porkellis? Wendron according to these notes I have. Obviously John (1801) didn't marry Amelia. Also Oliver (1758) who married Catherine Chigwidden was possibly the son of Francis (1724) and Ann. They had a son Francis (1786) brother to the John (1796) that went to the States. But John (1767) who married Margaret Pascoe also had a brother Francis (1805) Again these notes are old and unsubstantiated so will have to chase up. Francis' almost as difficult as John! Lennie
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 4, 2010 9:38:27 GMT -5
Thankyou for those marriage details. From what I have the John born 1801 at St Erth did not have a brother Francis although it is possible his grandparents were Francis and Ann. But I think the name is going to be closer to young John. That all depends on my 'hunch' being right of course! - but that name is the one 'standout' that offers us a clue. I have to get some sleep now so will have another look at this tomorrow. CT
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Post by Sarch on Aug 4, 2010 23:42:51 GMT -5
Hi Lennie Donne posted this site of Cornish Parish Registers online ;D Don't forget to bookmark it ;D ;D This site is awsome and has photos of the Parish Register pages you can look at them full screen and also move them around on your screen for better viewing as well is make them larger or smaller pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=waypoint&s=waypointsOnly&c=fs%3A1769414&w=0You can look up the Banns for John Gluyas and Mary Paynter Thomas Banns 1832 - 1850image/page 139 on the screen as it shows 2 pages at a time Baptisms 1820 - 1837image/page 23 for John's baptism Sarch
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