Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 3, 2010 16:22:36 GMT -5
The only one that might fit the bill is the John Gluyas that left for the states as an engineer. I think he may have married a Mary Bennett though. Any other pointers of where to go would be appreciated.
This would be John Gluyas and Mary Bennetts who married at Breage 26th October 1824.
Yes, he could be a possibility especially as this marriage is 18 months after the baptism of John Glewis Daniel.
But then there was a John Gluyas baptised at St Erth in 1801.
Most of the Gluyas people in Cornwall seem to have been centred in or around Wendron so if we work on the assumption that the father actually was John Gluyas then I would be inclined to start with this 'stray' at St Erth.
Another point to think about.
Did young John actually know his father or was he told enough about him to record those details when he was married?
Or did he simply make up something to make the record look a little better?
Hopefully we can find something that will answer the questions.
I took the "son of" underneath the John Glewis Daniel to mean he was a son of a Glewis not particularly a John. It was his wedding certificate that gave the name John. I will scan a copy of the baptism record to you Sarch tho' it isn't the best in the world.
I know a little about the John that went to the States but will try chasing the St. Erth candidate. My John settled in Bristol with family John, Francis, Mary and Thomas the latter being my GGGreat grandfather. He died in Sydney, NSW after falling from a ship.
Where would a bastardy bond be kept in Cornwall - would the St. Ives centre have details or the record office
Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 3, 2010 17:41:47 GMT -5
I can verify now that it was this Prudence Daniel who married James Woolcock in 1859.
James was previously married to Catherine (nee Humphrys) widow of Nicholas Wedge and he pre-deceased Ursula who died in 1874 at the age of 73.
The Peggy Daniel with her in 1871 I would have to guess must be Mary Ann Daniel daughter of Ursula's brother Matthew. But 'Peggy' is usual Margaret and I have never seen it used for Mary Ann as far as I recall. (But there is no Margaret in the family!)
The 1841 Census information shown by Sarch shows John Glewis Daniel and there is also a Mary Richards age 10 who was the daughter of Ursula's sister Mary who married William Richards at St Ives in 1831.
I read Lannanta's post on Robert Glasson and was amazed that he was able to track the man down great detective work there
I have checked OPC records for any sign of indenture for John Daniel/Gluyas but found nothing.
I still can't find John and Mary Gluyas after 1851 Census - I can find a death on FreeBMD for a Mary Gluyas in 1858 but don't find her in Barnoon or on Christine Uphill's Cemetery Page
Re the other John Gluyas b 1796 On Rootsweb I was able to find John Gluyas m to Mary Bennetts 26 Oct 1824 John was born 1796 Wendron died 1858 Asheboro, Randolph County, North Carolina, USA Buried Asheboro City Cemetery.
Found a Newspaper article from 27 Sep 1858 Fayetteville NC Observer Obituary In Asheborough, on the 23d inst., JOHN GLUYS, aged 63. He was born in Cornwall, England, and had been a resident in this country about 24 years. In his death, the community in which he live has sus- tained a loss. He was a man of great industry, of the strictest integrity, of much mechanical skill, of exem- plary deportment, and a man who attentively "minded his own business
John Gluyas & wife Mary Bennatts were in Guilford Co in 1850 John listed as an Engineer
Found this article in "Gold and Railroads" Dr Dan L. Morrill Chapter 4 "Another native of Cornwall who emigrated to the North Carolina gold mines was John Gluyas . The Mecklenburg Gold Mining Company persuaded Gluyas to move from New York City to Charlotte in 1838 by paying him a salary of $84 per month and by providing him lodging and covering his traveling expenses. Gluyas's first job was to oversee the steam-powered machinery at the Capps Mine. He would eventually become superintendent of mines in Mecklenburg, Cabarrus, Davidson, and Montgomery counties. His son's house, the Thomas and Latitia Gluyas House , is a designated historic landmark on the Mt. Holly Huntersville Road"
Also by Dan Morrill "The second son of John Gluyas (1796-1858), an experienced mining engineer from Cornwall, England, and Mary Bennetts Gluyas (1801-1876), Thomas Gluyas had accompanied his mother and father to the United States in 1837, when he was only eleven years old. In 1838 the family moved to Mecklenburg County, where John Gluyas became an official of the Mecklenburg Gold Mining Company and oversaw the steam-powered machinery at the Capp's Hill Gold Mine off Beatties Ford Road."
John Gluyas seems to have had interests in various gold mining operations and seemed to have quite a lot of money but I cant find a will for him. He had interests in mines in Montgomery and Guilford counties, & had a partnership with William Treloar in the McCulloch Mine .
Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 4, 2010 6:21:06 GMT -5
So that John was either son of John and Margaret or Oliver and Catherine Gluyas of Wendron with each baptising a son John in 1796.
I am thinking he is not our man.
In 1861 the two younger sons (Francis and Thomas) of John and Mary Gluyas were with Mary's parents at West Bridge, St Ives.
John and Mary with eldest son John were at Bristol, St Mary Redcliff, Gloucestershire.
Just search for 'John Gluyas' and you should find them easily as I have done.
In 1871 John Gluyas is a lodger at St Cuthberts in Somerset. Mary and son Thomas were at St Stephens in Gloucestershire. I cannot find son John but Francis was then living at Bedminster, Somerset with his wife Sarah Ann.
In 1881 John was an Accountant lodging in Bristol, Gloucestershire and appears to be widowed.
Mary Paynter Gluyas died Bristol R.D. March Qtr 1875 age 50
I have in my notes that the John that married Mary Bennett was the son of Oliver and Catherine baptised on the 7 Feb 1796 in Wendron tho' I also have John, son of John and Margaret baptised 25 Dec 1795 and married to Tomasine Tregonnig in 1822. Unfortunately this was info given by another member of my family and I have no proof if this is correct. Scribbled at the bottom of these notes is John b.1801 married Amelia Bonds 1845 which may refer to the St. Erth John. I knew the John's were a problem