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Post by lennieaj on Jul 30, 2010 9:35:01 GMT -5
Hi Everyone
Just found your site trawling through family names at St. Ives. Only just started on the Cornish side of things but ancestors include Honor QUICK m Peter THOMAS (1775) who's son John m Nancy PAYNTER (1824). Other names on that side include STEVENS, DAVY, GREENFIELD amongst others I believe.
Big brick wall tho' gggrandfather John GLUYAS illegitimate son of Ursula/Priscilla DANIEL born 1823 St. Ives.
Hope to post on forums in next few days.
Lennie
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Post by Tonkin on Jul 30, 2010 22:12:18 GMT -5
Hi Lennie, and welcome to Penwith Genealogy.  Don't worry about brick walls ... you can always go around them.  Roy ... from Down Under.  |
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Post by Sarch on Jul 31, 2010 2:50:53 GMT -5
Hi Lennie  I can find a marriage in St Ives for a John Thomas m to Nancy Paynter 1824 but I don't seem to be able to find a baptism for Nancy. Do you know who her parents were? Regards Sarch |
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Post by londoner on Jul 31, 2010 3:36:57 GMT -5
How about:
Nancy Gyles Paynter 9 Feb 1803 daughter of William & Mary
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Post by Sarch on Jul 31, 2010 5:25:45 GMT -5
HI Londoner Nancy Gyles Paynter born 9 Feb 1803 daughter of William and Mary died in 1807. William and Mary's next daughter to be named Nancy Gyles Paynter was born in 1813 and married John Quick in 1837 in St Ives. I can find a Nancy and John Thomas in the 1841 Census Address: West Bridge -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks THOMAS John M 45 Carrier Cornwall THOMAS Nancy F 40 Cornwall THOMAS Mary F 15 Cornwall 1851 Census Address: Fore Street ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks THOMAS John Head M M 59 Carrier Cornwall - St Ives THOMAS Nancy Wife M F 53 Cornwall - St Ives 1861 Census Address: Virgin St. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- THOMAS Nancy Head W F 61 Fisherman's Widow Cornwall - St Ives THOMAS Louisa Dau U F 18 Beetster Cornwall - St Ives HOSKING Elizabeth Lodger U F 36 Dressmaker Unknown - Louisa I think is the daughter aged 8 of Paul & Ann Thomas aged 54 & 53 in the 1851 Census living in Virgin Street. Sarch |
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Post by londoner on Jul 31, 2010 7:23:02 GMT -5
Ok so that makes her a bit older, so what about Ann (Nancy is often used as a diminutive of Ann) daughter of John & Ann bapt 18 Jun 1797 Or have you already ruled her out too?
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Post by Sarch on Jul 31, 2010 7:59:03 GMT -5
Hi Londoner Ann b 1797 daughter of John and Ann Paynter is a possiblility - I can't find a marriage of an Ann Paynter and 1797 fits in with the ages in the census esp the 1851 census that Nancy was born abt 1797 - 1801 So Ann might be Nancy Sarch |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 1, 2010 11:57:51 GMT -5
Well I am back after a couple of days upgrading Windows and other things on the PC.  My opinion is that Nancy was the Ann Paynter baptised at St Ives in 1797. Her parents would be John Paynter and Ann Oates who married 12th December 1796 at St Ives. John Paynter was a cordwainer and I believe it is he and his wife (also Nancy at this time) who were living at West Bridge, St Ives just a few doors from John and Nancy Thomas. A John Paynter was witness to the marriage of Ann to John Thomas. It looks possible that John was the son of Edward Paynter and Mary Harry although Edward was a carpenter. But John was recorded as age 68 in the 1841 Census and the only baptism that would be close at St Ives was the son of Edward and Mary baptised in 1771. The way John and Ann Paynter named their children seems to point to the above:- Ann bp. 18th Jun 1797 John bp. 3rd January 1800 Edward bp. 2nd April 1802 Mary bp. 24th November 1805 Prudence bp. 1st January 1808 Christian bp. 17th December 1809 These last two names are drawing me towards another Quick connection. John Paynter, brother to Edward, married Prudence Quick at St Ives in 1765 and two of their daughters were named Christian and Prudence. But let's make sure the initial connections are correct before getting too carried away!  CT |
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Post by lennieaj on Aug 2, 2010 14:35:57 GMT -5
Thanks to all those that have kindly responded. I do know from some previous family research that John THOMAS was the son of Honor QUICK and Peter THOMAS so how would Honor fit into the QUICK family. From what I have seen from the site the QUICK family seems rather complicated.
Cheers, Lennie
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 2, 2010 17:33:46 GMT -5
Hi Lennie - that part is easy enough to answer. Honor Quick was baptised 3rd February 1745 at St Ives daughter of Andrew Quick and Honor. And here is a twist for you. Andrew QUICK married Honor THOMAS 11th June 1745 at St Ives (But please don't ask me who this Honor Thomas was!! :  Honor Thomas (wife of Peter) was buried at St Ives 19th January 1825 age 80 CT |
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Post by Sarch on Aug 2, 2010 23:30:34 GMT -5
Hi Lennie This is what I have on the Peter Thomas family Descendants of Peter Thomas 1 Thomas, Peter b: abt 1746 .. +Quick, Honor b: 1745 in St Ives, m: 18 Jun 1775 in St Ives, Bap: 03 Feb 1744/45 St Ives, ..... 2 Thomas, John ......... +Paynter, Ann (Nancy) b: 1797 in St Ives, m: 24 Jun 1824 in St Ives, Bap: 18 Jun 1797 St Ives, ............ 3 Thomas, Mary Paynter b: Abt. 1825 in St Ives, Cornwall ................ +Gluyas, John b: Abt. 1824 m: 28 Jan 1845 in St Ives, Cornwall I have 2 children for Mary Paynter Thomas and John Gluyas, John and Francis - in the 1851 Census they are living at Street An Garrow St Ives 1851 Census Address: St Angorrow -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GLUYAS John Head M M 28 Carpenter Cornwall - St Ives GLUYAS Mary Wife M F 26 Carpenter's Wife Cornwall - St Ives GLUYAS John Son - M 5 Scholar Cornwall - St Ives GLUYAS Fras. Son - M 3 Scholar Cornwall - St Ives I cant seem to find John and Mary Gluyas in 1861 Census but their children are with the grandparents John and Ann (Nancy) Thomas at West Bridge 1861 Census Address: West Bridge -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks THOMAS John Head M M 68 Common Carrier Cornwall - St Ives THOMAS Nancy Wife M F 64 Baker Cornwall - St Ives GLUYAS Francis Grnson - M 13 Scholar Cornwall - St Ives GLUYAS Thomas Grnson - M 18 Student [orig: Scholar] Cornwall - St Ives Regards Sarch |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 2, 2010 23:47:04 GMT -5
Sarch - a couple of corrections or other details for you.
Honor Quick was actually baptised 3rd February 1745 (Old Style) so your information should show 1745/6.
Mary Paynter Thomas baptised 29th October 1824 St Ives
John Glewis Daniel s/o Pricilla baptised 4th April 1823 St Ives
CT
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Post by Sarch on Aug 3, 2010 0:36:28 GMT -5
Hi CT Thanks for pointing that out - the old computer program does its own thing there with sorting the calendar out and I didn't notice ;D I see that John was baptised John Glewis Daniel son of Pricilla - marriage says that his father ws John Gluyas, Mine Agent. 28 Jan 1845 by Banns John Gluyas 21 bachelor Joiner of St Ives (Father John Gluyas, Mine AgentO) Mary Paynter Thomas 21 spinter of St Ives (Father John Thomas, Carrier) Witnesses John Thomas, Honor Curnow. I can't find Pricilla in the 1841 Census But I can find John Daniel Carpenter aged 15 - would need to look at a film of the original of the baptism and see if transcriber had a problem with the writing of the name Ursula and transcribed it as Pricilla instead. Address: Fore Street -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DANIEL William M 60 Tin Dresser Cornwall DANIEL Ursula F 70 Cornwall DANIEL Ursula F 35 Cornwall DANIEL John M 15 Carpenter Cornwall John Gluyas and wife Mary P Thomas and Ursula Daniel all seem to be missing from the 1861 Census? I did find a marriage in 1859 on FreeBMD for an Ursula Daniel and in the 1861 Census find a James and Ursula Woolcock aged 59 in Fore St. In 1871 Ursula Woolcock is a widow aged 62 and has niece Peggy Daniel staying with her Sarch |
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Post by lennieaj on Aug 3, 2010 7:47:21 GMT -5
Thanks CT and Sarch The Gluyas connection was my next question but wasn't sure it was the right forum. John born to Priscilla is my gggreat grandfather and is on the 1861 census in Bristol. I haven't found a Priscilla and I've either rightly or wrongly assumed she was Ursula as one of the Daniels is down as Ursilla on one of the censuses (can't remember which one off the top of my head). It is definitely Priscilla on the baptism record as I have a copy. I have tried checking all the John's that could possibly be his father but none on the 1841 are that high up in the hierachy as a mine agent. His son, however, could have exaggerated his position. The only one that might fit the bill is the John Gluyas that left for the states as an engineer. I think he may have married a Mary Bennett though. Any other pointers of where to go would be appreciated. Helen PS Can someone tell me why I can't use the emoticons? |
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Post by Sarch on Aug 3, 2010 9:14:54 GMT -5
Hi Helen Have you found a baptism for a Pricilla Daniels? Is it possible to send me a copy of the baptism of John son of Pricilla? nilocr@mweb.co.za Your emoticons seem to be working ok ;D Sarch |
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