If anyone from this discussion is still around (and interested), I've found the younger Andrew Hosking's will (1836), and it sheds even further confusion on the issue of "who is Catherine Collick?". The will says: "I give and devise all my Freehold .. premises ... called Higher Porth Cullom and Lower Porth Cullom in the said parish of Saint Erth ... unto Hugh Collick of the said parish of Saint Erth Laborer the natural Son of Catherine Collick late of the parish of Saint Hillary in the said County Spinster deceased..."
And later in the will: "I give and grant unto my Sister Catherine Hosking ... one clear yearly annuity ... a sum of Thirty pounds..." and further "said annuity shall be received and taken by my said Sister in lieu and satisfaction of the allowance for her Board and Lodging which I am directed by the will of my deceased Father to make for her"
So that confirms Catherine Hosking isn't Hugh Collick/Hosking's mother.
However, the will stipulates: "and immediately after (Hugh's) decease I give and devise the said several and respective Freehold Messuages Hereditaments and premises unto Henry Hosking, son of Richard Hosking of the said parish of Uny Lelant Farmer". So Hugh (and any of his children) doesn't keep the Porth Cullom properties (Higher and Lower), but they revert back to the Hosking family. Hugh does receive, without condition, Andrew's personal effects, and is appointed (as noted already) sole executor of the estate.
And as a further puzzle, Hugh is married, although the wife isn't named: "also subject to another annuity of Twenty pounds per Annum to be paid to the wife of the said Hugh Collick for and during her natural life."
Has anyone found anything further since this original thread?
Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 29, 2018 13:58:05 GMT -5
Can you provide the reference details of this Will please - i.e. the CRO Reference Number, date it was written, date proved?
From what you say it appears we might have been wrong about Hugh Collick's mother and based on that information the mother is probably the Catherine Collick buried at St Hilary 27th February 1836 at the age of 68. If those details are correct she would have been born about 1767 yet I can still find no baptism for her.
In any case, if I can get the details of the Will I will probably be able to locate and download a copy for myself to study.
One thing that now appears a strong possibility is that Hugh Collick's father was one of the two Andrew Hoskings. Which of the two is not immediately obvious although it seems more likely it is the younger but that part of the problem can wait …. for now.
To answer an unasked question - the details of Hugh Collick's marriage and children now make some sense.
Hugh Collick was married twice - firstly to Grace Mollard at Lelant in 1818. 2 months after the marriage a son was baptized to Hugh and Grace as Henry HOSKING and then Grace died the following year. On 14th May 1826 Hugh HOSKING, widower, married Mary Ann Trezise at St Erth and the first three children of that marriage were baptized as children of Hugh HOSKING alias COLLICK! The remaining seven children were all baptized as Hosking.
I'll need to try and see that Will before commenting further so if you can provide the details I will look it up.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 29, 2018 14:38:41 GMT -5
I have had a quick read through the Wills of the two Andrew Hoskings and I am now fairly satisfied that the younger Andrew Hosking was probably the father of Hugh Collick.
The fact that Hugh received the bulk of Andrew Hosking's estate, including High and Lower Porthcollumb, and was also named Executor speaks volumes. And the recent death of Catherine Collick is also noteable although exactly who she was is still a mystery.
I had a look at the Collick name on the CRO catalogue, and I think you'll find this entry interesting,
PCERT St Erth Parish Council PCERT/5 Inherited records, St Erth Parish Council Ref No PCERT/5/300 Title: Examination, Thomas Collick of St Hilary Date: 13 May 1778 Format: Manuscript Description: Born Veryan; employed in St Mewan, Veryan, St Hilary, Ludgvan and Breage; married with children Catherine aged 12 Richard aged 10. Elizabeth aged 7, Bridget aged 6 and William aged 1.
Catherine Collick, daughter of Thomas would be around the right age being born in 1766, to have a son in 1795. Although she would have been 70 years old at burial in 1836. However, it's close enough.
Looking at the CRO catalogue and some of the baptisms around the Veryan area, I can't help wondering if there is a connection or interchangeability between the surnames Collick and Collett. I did find one instance in the Lostwithiel Sessions of 1773, where a John Collett alias Collick of Veryan, labourer was convicted of stealing. This is something to bear in mind when researching the name. I hasten to add that I'm not suggesting ALL Collicks are Colletts and vice versa.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 1, 2018 14:39:34 GMT -5
Yes Polly - Collick and Collett, not to mention Collect, have all been found by myself to be interchangeable ….. at least sometimes.
And the document you have quoted is very useful because it highlights an otherwise 'ghostly' family! That is to say that none of the children to Thomas Collick seem to appear in the baptism registers! And that helps explain why I arrived at the conclusion several years ago that Hugh Collick was an illegitimate son of Catherine Hosking.
But there is a marriage at Truro in 1764 for a Thomas Collick to Catherine Clyma with a daughter Jane baptized in 1775. Jane does not appear in the list provided but with no other children in the OPC records this might all be part of the same family.