Paul Quick reviewed

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CT

In the 1841 census there are four Quicks living at Factory Lane in St Ives - Catherine, Eliza, Paul and James. I do not have them recorded them in the 1851 census and I assume that they have moved. With, however the exception of the eldest - Catherine.

I believe that Catherine died on the 11th June 1842 aged 24 years. The interesting thing is that she was the daughter of a shipwright by the name of Paul Quick, who was deceased prior to Catherine's death.

I do not seem to have Paul or any of these children recorded, which may be caused by the fact that all four in the 1841 census were recorded as not being born in Cornwall.

Looking at family search there is the possible baptism of Eliza in 1825 at a Wesleyan church in Devon - to a Paul and Mary Quick.

Do you have any notes recorded for this group of people?

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Lannanta,
That would be:-

Eliza Quick d/o Paul and Mary
born 19th April 1825
Baptised 6th June 1825 Morrice St-Wesleyan, Devonport

The answer is that No, I do not have anything at all on this family and I am surprised that I had not picked up on them earlier given they were at St Ives.

Just for the record here:-

Factory Lane, St Ives - 1841
Catherine Quick, 20
Eliza Quick, 15
Paul Quick, 12
James Quick, 10

None of the above born in Cornwall.

Like you I am also unable to find any trace of Paul or James in 1851 or 1861.

Working from the one likely record we have (the above baptism) I can find three possible Paul Quicks in my database.

This is assuming that the family was at St Ives in 1841 because Paul was originally from Cornwall .... and we have to start somewhere!

Paul s/o Paul and Elizabeth bp. 12th June 1774 St Ives

Doubtful as he is probably one of the three buried at St Ives in 1778 and 1779.

Paul s/o Gabriel and Elizabeth bp. 16th October 1774 North Molton

He could be a possibility as we appear to know nothing more about him except that the family were back at St Ives.

Paul s/o Israel and Catherine bp. 16th September 1792 St Ives

This one would be my favourite and his father was a 'joiner' so the occupation would be fairly logical.

UH-OH!

Paul QUICK married Mary QUICK 29th June 1815 at St Ives

Remember that one?

We never have satisfactorily solved this little problem although I seem to recall that the only really likely candidate for this marriage was the son of Israel and Catherine!

I do believe we may have a solition to the problem!!

PAUL and ISRAEL Quick bp. 12th July 1823 St Ives twin sons of Paul (SHIPWRIGHT) and Mary

Paul Quick buried 23rd July 1823 St Ives age 9 days
Israel Quick buried 3rd August 1823 St Ives age 3 weeks

Remember the dilemma of the gap between the marriage in 1815 and the baptisms of these two?

And now we have a CATHERINE in 1841 whose age is recorded as 20.

She could therefore have been born anytime from 1816 to 1821 and this was the name of Paul's mother.

We have an Israel who unfortunately died young.

So the children now might look like this:-

Catherine bn. 1816-1821
Paul - 1823-1823 St Ives
Israel - 1823-1823 St Ives
Eliza bn. 1825 Devonport
Paul bn. c. 1828/9
James bn. c. 1830/1

And the possibility of other children who did not survive.

The most likely candidate for Mary (at the moment) would be the daughter of James and Martha bp. 9th December 1792 at St Ives.

In fact she is the only one in my database who could possibly have married Paul Quick.

If not solved then I think we are well on the way to the solution! ;D

CT

BTW - a look at FreeBMD offers a possibility for the death of Paul Quick.

December Qtr 1840 Vol 9 Page 301 Stoke Damerel

He could have died earlier of course but worth considering.

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CT

So the children now might look like this:-

Catherine bn. 1816-1821
Paul - 1823-1823 St Ives
Israel - 1823-1823 St Ives
Eliza bn. 1825 Devonport
Paul bn. c. 1828/9
James bn. c. 1830/1

And with a few refinements:

Catherine bn. 1818
Elizabeth bn 1820 Devonport
Paul - 1823-1823 St Ives
Israel - 1823-1823 St Ives
Eliza bn. 1825 Devonport
Paul bn. c. 1828/9
James bn. c. 1830/1

No Martha anywhere obvious which is the only concern at the moment. But there is room.

I think that the burial records for St Ives around this period may well be of value.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

And where did you dig Elizabeth up from?

You obviously have a reason so I will be interested to here it.

I will let you know what I find in the burial records once I have had a chance to take a good look through them.

And it seems possible I might have just a little more than what I mentioned in my email.

As you say - Martha is a bit of a sticking point but she may yet turn up.

There is always the possibility that they simply never named a daughter Martha but I think the current list of the children shows that would be most unusual.

CT

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CT

Elizabeth was baptised in the exact same place as Eliza which is the record that you referred to in your first message - Morrice St - Weslayan, Devonport.

The burials for 1841 to 1851 would be interesting because I would not be surprised to find some of the other children dying during that time - especially Paul and James.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Well burn me and butter me on both sides!

Don't know why I did not find her when I checked on the baptism for Eliza.

I will try and take a look through the 1841-1851 Burials this afternoon.

But first I need to complete the next section of Madron Marriages which, I am hoping, will not take long.

CT

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The death in Stoke Damerel on the 6th October 1840 was most certainly our Paul, the shipwright, aged 48 years and a shipwright at Her Majesty's dockyard. He died of consumption and informant was Mary Walters and she lived at 48 Gloucester Street.

Interesting....

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Well done mate - and that is another one tied down.

And now for Mary and the kids!

CT

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I might have made some progress on this family, especially son of Paul, Paul junior.

There is a death at Stoke Damerel for a Paul Quick in Stoke Damerel in 1850.

In the "National Probate Calendar" the following is found for Paul Quick -

Letters of administration etc ... of Paul Quick late of the Borough of Devonport ..... shipwright, who died 23 March 1850 at Devonport ...... were granted at the Principal Registry to Alice Quick Anthony (wife of John Bray Anthony) of the Borough of St Ives.... the daughter and Administratix of the unadministered Personal estate and effects of Charles Richards the Uncle and sole Executor and Residuary Legatee named in the said will she having been first sworn - dated 25th November 1869.

This sort of makes sense with what we have assumed to date?

Lannanta

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CT

To continue along, the eldest daughter of Paul and Mary, Mary baptised in Devonport in 1816, appears in the 1861 census with Paul's brother Alfred Quick and family at the Chyanchy Dolphin inn.

This Mary died, a spinster, on the 22nd September 1868 at St Ives, and one of the executors was Alfred Quick.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Excellent work Lannanta and all makes perfect sense ............. except!

[quoteMary baptised in Devonport in 1816, appears in the 1861 census with Paul's brother Alfred Quick ][/quote]

Alfred Quick's brother Paul died at St Ives 6th August 1844 with Charles Richards in attendance!

What we have here is, instead, a group of cousins who were all grandchildren from the marriage of Israel QUICK and Catherine QUICK at Towednack in 1781.

Surviving children of Israel and Catherine were:-

Israel married Sally RICHARDS
Their son was ALFRED with whom Mary was enumerated in 1861.

Wilmot married Charles RICHARDS
Their daughter Alice Quick Richards married John Bray ANTHONY and she was granted Admon of Paul's estate. (Her father is probably the Charles Richards buried at St Ives 6th September 1850)

Paul married Mary QUICK
Son Paul is the Paul Quick who died at Devonport in 1850

And the question of interest now:-
Why was Charles Richards named Executor and Residuary Legatee in Paul's Will when we know that at least one sibling, Mary, was still living?

CT

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CT

Yes my apologies, that is what I meant to say as well as I did note to myself about the demise of Alfred's brother - Paul - in 1844 or so.

I also have it exactly as you point out. Starts to explain why the family sort of disappeared. A few to go yet.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

That's fine mate I just wanted to clarify the situation for our readers.

You are doing an excellent job on this lot and it may ultimately help us sort out what happened to one or two others who have caused some headaches.

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

Lannanta - as a result of this I may now have been able to identify Sally Richards who married Israel Quick at St Ives in 1810.

If I am correct then it also helps explain the name of one of their children - Eliza CARTER Quick.

And it will also provide another link to Charles RICHARDS.

If you check St Ives marriages you will find two marriages for Sally Richards - the second one is to Richard Williams 27th December 1809.

Charles Richards I now believe to have been baptised 15th October 1789 at St Ives son of:-

John RICHARDS married Sarah PENBERTHY, widow 28th July 1788 St Ives

I now know that the sequence of events goes like this:-

John PENBERTHY married Sarah CARTER 5th May 1785 St Ives

John s/o John and Sarah bp. 12th March 1786 St Ives
SALLY d/o John and Sarah bp. 6th October 1787 St Ives

John Penberthy age 31 buried 6th October 1787 St Ives (note same day as Sally baptised)

John RICHARDS married Sarah PENBERTHY, widow 28th July 1788 St Ives

Charles s/o John and Sarah Richards bp. 15th October 1789 St Ives

Being unable to find any further information on Sally Penberthy I now believe it probable that she became Sally RICHARDS and later married Israel Quick.

Hence the naming of daughter Eliza CARTER Quick!

This would also explain the fact that Israel and Sally Quick named two sons John Richards Quick!

The Sally Richards who married Richard Williams would therefore be the daughter of William and Sarah Richards baptised at St Ives in 1786.

What think you?

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

[quoteThis Mary died, a spinster, on the 22nd September 1868 at St Ives, and one of the executors was Alfred Quick.
][/quote]

And the other Executor was George Richards of St Ives, brewer.

And George Richards was the son of Charles Richards and Wilmot (nee Quick) so once again we have the first-cousins involved.

CT