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Post by darbylee on May 9, 2010 9:53:02 GMT -5
Hi everyone! I wrote a book 7 years ago called Cornish Roots and it is about my G G Grandfather Josiah Hampton and his family. through lots of hard work i managed to track down his diary and transcribe all of it, inc his passage to Australia in 1847 on the Rajah. . Josiah's father was William Hampton who died on May 26th 1842 aged 49years. William married to Phillippa Kessel on the 1st of Dec 1817, daughter of Martyn and Rachel Kessel. William and Phillippa's children were Josiah, Richard, Mary Anne William and Phillippa. Now here is my big problem, i cannot find William Hamptons parents. I have all of the Hampton family trees from Illoggan, Redruth, Nancekuke Downs, etc, back to 1600 but i cant put William in any of them even though many U.K researchers i have corresponded with know they are all related and have told me this many times. They threw up there arms, lol, and left it up to me to make this breakthrough. I have tried for 7 years and i think i need some help, many have tried to solve it but nobody has to date. I think i know what branch they are from because of the names but cant prove it yet. My Mother was Joyce Hampton and i wrote this Cornish Roots book for her before she died in 2003. Can anybody help me with this as i would like to finish up the book and have it published. also it is a wealth of info for many people as it has many cornish names reffered to by Josiah in it. (James Jeffrey, Pascoe, Gilbert, George and many more). They were all his friends or relatives. Also Josiah was a witness to the opening of the new Church in Illoggan and his brothers and sisters were the 1st to be baptised in the new church. the official history of this church is wrong, as they have dated it out by a few days, it is all in the diary and he swore to the lord it was true. Josiah seen James Jeffery leave for Aus and also mentions this too. He even has a recipe ginger beer and gettin rid of pyles, lol, and much much more. Thank you all in advance. David Lee. Victoria, Australia.
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Post by white on May 9, 2010 11:33:53 GMT -5
Hi David, I read your letter re Hamptons with interest. Have you come across Anthony, born about 1655, he married Florance in 1680, St.Buryan. Probable brother, Benjamin, born about 1660, he married Elizabeth 1687,St.Buryan. Benjamin and Elizabeth are my ancestors. I have failed to trace parents or baptisms for either Anthony or Benjamin. Presumeably they came from outside the area.. Roy White
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Post by cowdogsam on May 9, 2010 11:36:04 GMT -5
Hello David, I hope some of the members here can help you with the Hamptons. The diary and book sound fascinating. I would love to find something like that kicking around to do with my ancestors. Alas I don't even have images of my great grandparents, and only a scant few of my grandparents. Good luck finishing the book
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 9, 2010 13:01:26 GMT -5
G'day David from Northeast Victoria and welcome to Penwith Genealogy. After a quick look around I can see why you are having a problem with William Hampton. I have run into a dead-end at the moment but that does not mean to say that all is lost. I notice in the 1851 Census that Philippa's birthplace is recorded as St Agnes. Could you post some details of her baptism please as I don't have access to St Agnes records at the moment. Also interesting is that daughter Philippa is also supposed to have been born at St Agnes although she was baptised at Illogan. This may or may not be significant but ................ If you have it I would also like to know exactly what information was included in the record of marriage. (witnesses etc.) And the same for William's death certificate which I presume you must have. You say that Josiah names a lot of relatives in his diary. These may also be useful so if you have some specifics I may be able to learn something from them. What would be best is if he named people as Aunt, Uncle etc. You may well have been down all these paths before but I would like to have a fresh look to see if there might be something I can dig out of it all. I guess you have already checked Wills?? CT
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Post by darbylee on May 10, 2010 0:00:02 GMT -5
Hi Roy howya goin? I have your Hampton branch tree here. Check this out! This line was pointed out to me many years back by peter Hendra and David Harman as they think this may be the line of Hampton William came from. Anthony Hampton (c. 1655) married Florance on the 26th of June 1680 in Buryan. Anthony had 2 brothers and a sister, Berriman Hampton (c. 1662) he married Elizibeth on the 23rd May 1687 @ Buryan, and Benjamin Hampton (c. 1665) he married Jane on the 16th Sep 1688 @ Buryan, and Jane Hampton mar Justus Angwin on 28th of April 1712 @ Just-Penwith. Are you ready for the big one mate, here it is! Alexander Hampton (c1653-brd 2 Dec 1720) married Joan (c1660) in 1684, Joan died and was burried on the 4th of May 1686 Illogan. Alexander then married Margery (c 1661-brd 21 Nov 1733 Illogan) on the 15th Oct 1687 Illogan. They had 8 children. I have the complete Hampton tree of 6 generations here and it is way too big to write all here but i think you will be excited and happy bout this breakthrough. All the Best to you Roy! David Lee.
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Post by darbylee on May 10, 2010 0:05:19 GMT -5
I have many more of these Hampton trees and i am trying to linc them as i think most of the Hamptons from Illogan and surrounding parishes are related one way or another.
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Post by darbylee on May 10, 2010 0:19:15 GMT -5
Hey cowdogsam thanx for your comments. Never give up as persistance pays off. I had a cornish miners coin or token dated 1812 to start me off, that was it, 1 cornish coin but i knew it was kept for a reason. That coin set me on a never ending journey of truth and it is amazing what can turn up with a little bit persistance. Also check the given names of your family as the names tend to be used over and over again. Good Luck to you mate! David Lee.
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Post by darbylee on May 10, 2010 3:35:41 GMT -5
Hii Cornish Terrier and thank you for the warm welcome. Yeaaah, William can be a pain in the butt aye, if i had a doller for every time i tried to solve this and came to a dead end i would be rich, lol. I will get this connection oneday!
Yees you are right, Phillipa was born in St Agnes and Chr on 6th may 1792. daughter Phillipa was born in St Agnes and Baptised on may 17 1832 while living @ Nancekuke Downs. I gleaned this info from the LDS. I do not have the wedding cert as this info was gleaned from St Agnes Parish Records for Baptisms and Marriage. i do not have Williams death cert either as the info was in recorded Josiahs Diary and backed up by Census and Illogan Parish records for burial. Josiah does mention alot of names but does not say they are relatives, here is a e.g of some of what he mentions,,,
"The following passages of scripture are those of which i have heard pounded by the Revd Simeon Noal and The Rev James Groce in the Redruth curcuit since the conference of 1845. J Hampton" and this " Illogan. Easter Monday October 19 1846. I attended the missionary anniversary sevices at Harris Hill acoompanied by Hancock and began a new era in conjugal matters. May the blessin of heaven rest apon our engagements. J. Hampton Porth Towan Oct 20th 46",,,
but this is the one i was telling you about and may be of intrest to you C.T,,,,"Know all men every were by those present that I Josiah Hampton of the Parish of Illogan County of Cornwall has this 28th day of October in the year of the lord one thousand eight hundred and forty six attended the opening of the new parish church in Illogan. Service began at 11.00 o clock a.m and conducted as follows. Prayeers read by the Rev Edwin M. Pridmore of Breagne and late curate of this Parish. Lessons read by the Rev Boyed, present curate of this Parish. Communion service read by the Morrison present curate of this said Parish of Illogan assisted by Boyed after which a sermon was preached by Rev Dicks of Newlyn East from Haggai ch 1 ver 3.4. At the close a collection was made in aid of the said building of said church. Singing was as follows, Psalm 15, tunes were 84 Psalm, tune Jerusalem. 100 Psalm old 100 tune. I struck the 1st sounds on the German Flute. J. Hampton."
November 1/46 Today "Sunday" I attended church morning and afternoon. Pridmore read the morning prayers and Morrison preached from 89 Psalm. This afternoon Morrison did the duty and Baptised three children "called Richard, Maryanne, and Phillipa" and intered a corpes before the sevice. The 1st funeral was ;ast evening in the new church. J. Hampton Porth Towan. Nov 1 1846.
My hand is sore, lol, but you get the drift of what he means. See now how he mentions his siblings here. The dates on the websight of Illogan history does not mention any of this and the official dates there look to be wrong,,I must get onto them and see what they say but i do believe Josiah as he was a god fearing person.
I hope you found all this interesting and maybe it can be of some use. This is only a small amount of what is written in Josiahs Diary, it is truly a wealth of info. David Lee.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 10, 2010 4:33:19 GMT -5
Thanks David, all most interesting and excellent in building the picture of Josiah.
Nothing that is going to help directly in identifying William but I may have another option to find any additional details from the marriage and also possibly the burial records.
I will get on to that now.
CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 10, 2010 4:35:44 GMT -5
David - we have a section for HAMPTON down in the Surnames of General Interest section.
I suggest that all discussions about this family would be best served if transferred to that forum.
In fact I will try and contact one of our Administrators and ask that the current postings also be transferred there.
CT
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Post by Marpleg A-boynt on May 10, 2010 5:25:18 GMT -5
David - we have a section for HAMPTON down in the Surnames of General Interest section. I suggest that all discussions about this family would be best served if transferred to that forum. In fact I will try and contact one of our Administrators and ask that the current postings also be transferred there. CT Hey there Moved as requested
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 10, 2010 5:31:01 GMT -5
Many thanks my friend!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 17, 2010 6:13:33 GMT -5
David - I have had a reply from my contact regarding Illogan. I don't know that there is much actually different to what you have but there are at least some extra details. William Hampton, bachelor, of Illogan married Philippa Kessel, spinster, of St Agnes 1st December 1817 at Illogan (William signed and Philippa made her mark) Witnesses were Rachel Kessel (mark) and John Willoughby I had been hoping that one of the witnesses might have been a sibling or parent of William. William son of Alexander and Elizabeth Hampton bp. 28th February 1781 Illogan William son of Alexander and Elizabeth Hampton bp. 28th December 1782 Illogan In a second note I have the following information which I will produce here in the order it was received. Baptisms at Illogan William son of William and Ann Hampton bp. 19th October 1806 James son of William and Ann Hampton bp. 28th July 1810 (Born 1st July 1810) Ann daughter of William (miner) and Ann Hampton of Illogan bp. 11th May 1816 Josiah son of William (miner) and Philippa Hampton of Nancekuke Down bp. 16th May 1819 Richard son of William (miner) and Philippa Hampton of Nancekuke Downs bp. 26th January 1822 Ruth daughter of William (miner) and Ann Hampton of Nancekuke Downs bp. 18th October 1823 Nanny daughter of James (miner) and Honor Hampton of Nancekuke Downs bp. 19th March 1825 Mary Ann daughter of William (miner) and Philippa Hampton of Nancekuke Downs bp. 19th March 1825 William son of William (miner) and Philippa Hampton of Portowan bp. 4th September 1827 Marriage William Hampton, miner married Ann Hampton, spinster 15th January 1804 (both signed with their mark) Witnesses - Alexander Hampton and John Willoughby Burials 30th December 1754 - William Hampton 4th November 1783 - William son of Alexander and Elizabeth 14th October 1839 - William Hampton of Porth Towan age 57 28th May 1842 - William Hampton of Portowan age 50 I don't know that it gets us any further but the additional information may be of some help. Don't Give Up!! CT
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Post by darbylee on May 20, 2010 8:29:38 GMT -5
Heey CT thank you soo much for the excellent info on Josiah's family. I think i saw this info was @ the latter day Saints, on there fish reader but they wouldnt let my photocopy it cause of some rule but they let me write it out by hand. I really wanted Williams sig and Phillipas mark on that wedding record, they wouldnt even let me trace it. I would love to get a copy of that. Its interesting that Josiah mentions Jn Willoughby's name in his diary, this was before he left for Australia. Thank you again and i will never give up, the answer i seek is just round the corner. Take care mate and all the best to ya. Darb.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 20, 2010 9:09:02 GMT -5
Sooner or later the answer will turn up so as you say - 'don't give up'! If I come across anything I will post it here but in the meantime you might still work around the problem by seeing how much information can be found about the rest of Josiah's family. Might be a few odds and ends turn up that offer further clues. CT
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