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Post by melanie on Apr 11, 2010 21:11:07 GMT -5
Hi Cowdogsam?
nice to hear from you. My connection with the Eddy name is Wilmot Bone, dau of Henry Bone and Jone Eedy/Eddy of Zennor m 1710 Gulval.
Melanie
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Post by melanie on May 16, 2010 22:57:08 GMT -5
Hello all,does anyone have any thoughts on these: did St Just's Richard Grenfell c1599 m Ann Richard 1619 have any other children besides Thomas m Loudy?
Did John 1704 son of John Grenfell and Redigon Champen St Justs marry and have children?
Did Richard Grenfell son of Matthew? c 1654 who married Elizabeth Roberts in 1686 have children?
Could John Grenfell c1608 m Ame Harris 1622 have moved to St Ive's to parent Matthew'a line?
Just for interest's sake, I came across a mention that Sir Richard Grenville was buying property in West Cornwall in 1552.
regards,
Melanie.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 17, 2010 6:50:42 GMT -5
Melanie - the only item here I am able to comment on at the moment is regarding Richard son of Matthew Grenfell.
And it seems that the answer is 'no' he did not have children.
Richard left a Will in 1720 and was buried as a 'widower'.
In the Will he named brothers John and Pearse.
He also mentioned 'kinsman' Nicholas Clark who is also named as 'son-in-law' in the Will of John Grenfield.
And 'Honour Grenfield the small house that Blanch Dadow als Thomas live'
I don't k now if Honour was his sister-in-law (wife of John) or if this was another Honour Grenfield.
From what I understand of the Will those are the only bequests.
CT
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Post by newlyn on May 17, 2010 11:31:22 GMT -5
Richard and Ann Grenfield/Grenfell also had a son Richard born about 1620.
Have you got the descendants of Thomas and Lowdy?
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Post by newlyn on May 17, 2010 12:43:11 GMT -5
John Grenfield married Redigon Champen 9.4.1703 St Just. John was bap about 1672 St Just Redigon was bap 28.1.1672 St Just.
They had 7 children and John bap 30.10.1704 was one of their sons. I can give you more info if you want.
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Post by white on May 17, 2010 12:58:28 GMT -5
descendents of Thomas Grenfield (Grenfell) and Lowdy (nee Harrys) were John 1648-1650 Jemima 1650-1727 married Sampson Cock Alice 1652 married Nicholas Warren John 1654-1655 Thomas 1654-1708 married Elizabeth (?) Can supply the complete line if you want. Also go to the Grenfell site grenfell.history.users.btopenworld.comLots there, Roy
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Post by newlyn on May 17, 2010 13:07:06 GMT -5
I believe that Thomas 1654-1708 married Elizabeth Stoyle. Married 29.11.1679 St Just
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Post by johntanner on May 18, 2010 13:22:02 GMT -5
I cannot usefully add to what has already been said in reply to Melanie's questions, but can I please ask Newlyn how you know that Richard and Ann had a son Richard in 1620?
Richard married Ann Richard in 1619 and married Jane in 1634. I am unclear whether these are a single Richard or two separate people. The only children of these marriages that I know of are Lucres b 1642 d 1643, Richard d 1643, Thomas b 1650. I assume that these are all children of Jane, not Ann.
This is in a period where we need every scrap of evidence if we are to make sense of the relationships, so I would be glad to know what I have missed.
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Post by newlyn on May 18, 2010 14:13:58 GMT -5
The information about Richard born c1620 being the son of Richard and Ann came from a relative. I am unable to contact the person at the moment to confirm a source. But will ask when I am next in touch with him.
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Post by johntanner on May 18, 2010 17:11:12 GMT -5
Thanks, Newlyn
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Post by melanie on May 22, 2010 22:35:34 GMT -5
Hello all, thank you Roy, I do visit the Grenfell family site regularly and have read all those wills; I just keep hoping something else will emerge. I wait with baited breath to hear anything more on the Richard c 1620 Newlyn! Do you know if John 1704 married? Could he have been the John who married Ann Harvey of Gulval in 1730? Just for interest, another area we can look at is the Trewinnard connection through St Ives. I think that Richard Grenfell 1657 (Chamond & Honor) m Mary Trewinnard in Mawnan 1684 and the Trewinnards came from a John Trewinnard gent. of St Ives. This is just another reason for the Grenville/Grenfells to possibly visit West Cornwall. (Mary may have wished to visit her g'parents in St Ives, if they were still there or perhaps the families had property in the area.) Chamond s o Richard and Gertrude. Richard s o George and Julian, g'son of Richard and Florence. John Trewinnard m Margaret Yorke (Humphrie Yorke m Barbara Vivian dau of John Vivian gent.) Their dau m John Trewinnard of St Ives 1623. Their son Joseph/John m Mary Peirce of Jacobstow c1662 and their dau Mary m Richard Grenvill 1684 Mawnan near Poughill and Kilkhampton. (Just an interesting aside; earlier an Elizabeth Trewinnard also m John Killigrew so o John Killigrew in 1529. Maria Killigrew dau of John Killigrew m George Grenfell c 1606 s o George and Julian.) Lots of links; like that of the Otts/Grenfell and Carnesew families. I am still searching for the antecedents and descendents of John Grenfell and Joanna of Truro St Mary in the 1620s. I think that John may have been the son of George and Julian. They had an enormous number of children! There is also Digory's line through 2nd wife Mary Cavell, if this is right. They had a Digory who married a Lammerton and g'children, a richard, a juliana and a susan who married a Porter. Better stop now. I can really go on and on. Melanie.
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Post by newlyn on May 23, 2010 3:20:35 GMT -5
Well I wouldn't hold your breath for too long, Melanie.
Might be some time before I can get that info!
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Post by melanie on Mar 25, 2011 20:17:12 GMT -5
Hello fellow researchers,
This is to do with George Grenville (s o Richard Greynville and Florence Kelloway). He married Julyan Viell.
According to the probate records, Julyan was pregnant when George Greynville went off to Ireland in 1595. George died there and the next reference I can find to that family is Julyan marrying George Keckovich in 1601 and her wiil in 1623. Does anyone know the name of this last child of George Greynville?
Cheers,
Melanie
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Post by johntanner on Mar 26, 2011 13:12:25 GMT -5
Melanie
I thought at first that this was straightforward, but now realise that the answer is not obvious.
George’s children were baptised at Egloskerry and are in the IGI. The last two are:
Barnard 23rd September 1593 Gulyan 17th August 1595.
His will was written on 11th February 35E1, which I make to be 1592/93, but the codicil referring to his wife being with child was added on 15th June 1593. The will was proved on 8th October 1595.
There would seem to be two options: firstly that the child she was carrying was Barnard, which implies that George came back from Ireland (or never went there) and fathered another child, Gulyan. Secondly, she was carrying Gulyan, which implies that both children’s baptisms were delayed.
I am not happy about either alternative. What do you think?
I hope that I have got the dates right, but check them for yourself.
John
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Post by melanie on Mar 27, 2011 6:47:41 GMT -5
My knowledge is pretty sketchy John - the IGI entry I have seen doesn't include the girls in the will and I had missed Barnard and Garturad completely. Perhaps they weren't there when I last checked - it was some time ago. Either that or I am just blind. I don't know anymore where all of my information came from. My files are pretty untidy. I have a Mary 1582 (igi has her at 1580) an Ibbot 1590, Florence, Grace, Elizabeth 1592, George 1586, Richard 1589 and a John who I thought may have married a Joanna. Now I can add Gulyan 1595.
Our computer died and although we saved everything, I find that now I can't open quite a few files and others seem to have been misplaced. Such is life. I think I will have to search for some things all over again.
Thank you for Barnard and Julyan.
I hope you are well.
Melanie.
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