William Glasson sometime miner Ballarat & Bendigo

[sue]

William Glasson, sometime miner Ballarat & Bendigo; then South African Rand

I am trying to identify which William Glasson is referred to in a 3rd hand anecdote published some years ago. (And it is possible, though not a helpful starting point for this request!, that there is a mix-up over the forename , so I would stick with William for now.)

Said William Glasson was born in England, of the Glassons from the Lelant & surrounds area, mined abroad in Australia and South Africa per this anecdote, then returned to England, apparently for the rest of his life.

There are various possibilities for which William Glasson this could be, probably starting with William born 1802 2nd son of John Glasson and Elizabeth Trewhella in Lelant, as that William appears to be missing from the UK 1841 census, although his apparent wife and children are there.

But it could be someone much later in the 19th century, such as his nephew William b 1849 Halsetown, youngest son of Jakeh Glasson & Phillipa Quick, who is present in each UK census, but there are 10 year gaps in between each census.......

I wonder if it is at all possible for anyone to do a look-up to find this William arriving in or leaving, or being present in his apparent mining locations in Australia? I am hoping to find an age or any other identifying details, or any information really.

Thanks.

Sue

[Cornish Terrier]

Hi sue - a difficult one to say the least.

Lannanta may be the best one to help with this one but I have taken a bit of a look without finding anything that might help.

There was a William Glasson left Melbourne for London in 1859 but he was age 34 and does not seem to fit any of the William Glassons I have in my database and certainly not those you have mentioned as possibilities.

Incoming Passenger Lists have produced nothing obvious but there are problems to be overcome here.

His Christian name may have been recorded as 'W', 'Wm' or 'William' and there are several ways his surname might have been transcribed.

Given it appears that he was 'single' whilst in Australia the BMD records are of little use either.

Probably the best resource to find him would be in UK Incoming Passenger lists but the transcriptions for these currently begin at 1878 and I suspect this may not be early enough.

The BMDs do show that William Glasson and wife Mary Tapper were having children at Ballarat whilst at Sandhurst (Bendigo) there was a William Henry Glasson with quite a number of children.

So even a mention in the newspapers might prove nothing.

Seems I am of little help on this one - at least at the moment - but I will attempt to find some more resources to see if anything can be found.

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

Sue - another thought.

You could try the South African mailing lists given he is supposed to have spent time there.

CT

[sue]

Thanks for looking; I suspected this William might not be easy to track down.

I think it is possible however that William b1802 son of John Glasson & Elizabeth Trewhella, one of my prime candidates, may not be he, as I now read that gold mining in South Africa did not really take off until 1870s - although of course the William in the anecdote I have may have been an early pioneer.

Sue

[Glazin2018]

Just for the sake of clarity:
William Glasson, son of John Glasson & Elizabeth Trewhella, aged 79 years, died of senile decay on the 27th May 1881 at the Dunwich Benevolent Asylum, Queensland, Australia.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Thanks Lannanta - I presume from your information that you have seen the death certificate?

I knew William had died in Queensland from the Qld BMD Indexes but that was all I had. His mother's surname in the index is FREWHELER.

CT

[Glazin2018]

Yes indeed CT, I saw it as I was scanning all my certificates to disc. So you will receive a copy in the near futre. The T in Trewheler could easily be taken as an F.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Thanks Lannanta - that is is particularly of interest given he is a direct Trewhella descendant.

CT

[Chris]

I have also seen in an Index where Trembath has been mistranscribed as 'P'rembath! And this happen way back in the 1890's (the mistranscription) so the Archives won't change it.

Is there a tree somewhere I could look at regarding this Trewhella line?

Cheers
Chris

Chris
Australia
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Ancestry Username coolgarra
Webpage www.chriswright.id.au

[Cornish Terrier]

Is there a tree somewhere I could look at regarding this Trewhella line?

To my knowledge there is not an accurate tree online for the Trewhellas. The most accurate information on all Trewhella (and variant) connections I suspect is in my database but even then I know there are some errors that I am working on.

To prepare this information for online display would take, at the very least, many months and possibly longer so that is not something that will happen soon. However, if anyone would like to ask specific questions on specific lines then I will be happy to try and help.

CT

[Chris]

Thanks CT!

So my questions are about John TREWHELLA who married Elizabeth HAMPTON 20 May 1679 in Lelant.

Did they have children? If so, do you have a list?

Do you know who his parents were? It is Elizabeth who is my blood relative.

Cheers
Chris
Australia
GEDMATCH A665883
Ancestry Username coolgarra
Webpage www.chriswright.id.au

[Cornish Terrier]

This is a really tricky one and has been troubling me for years - part of the problem being that the marriage took place during that period for which there are many missing registers. And I don't even have this marriage in my database as yet!!

My suspicion is that this may have been the first of three marriages for John Trewhella but I really have no information available to prove it. However ......

I suspect John Trewhella/Trewheela is most probably a son of James and Blanch Trewhella of Towednack. This is another marriage lost in the missing registers but existing records indicate they probably had at least 7 children. I know the marriage occurred prior to 1644 as their daughter Ann was baptised at St Erth in November that year.
James Trewhella was most likely a son of James Trewhella the Churchwarden of Towednack so the marriage probably took place in that Parish and it is possible that Ann was not the eldest child.

Skipping forward to son John Trewhella - the marriage to Elizabeth Hampton took place at Lelant 25th July 1679 and we only know that because the Bishops Transcript for that year survives. In fact very few records for Lelant survive prior to 1716 and most of those are scattered BTs so if there were any children any records of them are lost. My guess is that there were probably no children but even if there were it would appear that none survived. I also believe that Elizabeth (Hampton) Trewhella did not survive long after the marriage and it is probable that her burial record is lost with the Lelant registers of the time.

I also have not yet identified Elizabeth Hampton so if you have an idea of who she was or any record that suggests where she belongs then that information would be welcome.

As I said, I do not believe Elizabeth survived long after the marriage and that is based largely on the lack of John Trewhellas at that time. I also mentioned above that I suspect this was the first of three marriages so here is a brief outline of the events as I see them:-

25th July 1679 John Trewheela and Elizabeth Hampton were married at Lelant (Lelant Bishops Transcripts)

15th June 1686 John Trewhilla of Towednack and Elizabeth is wife were married at Illogan (Illogan baptisms, marriages, burials, 1539-1699 Image 061)
16th January 1686/7 Elizabeth the wife of John Trewhilla was buried at Illogan (Illogan baptisms, marriages, burials, 1539-1699 Image 118)

circa 1692 John Trewhella married Katherine Hampton (location unknown but possibly Towednack)

John and Katherine Trewhella had 7 known children before John died intestate in 1716. Katherine died in 1723 and both were buried at Towednack.

Currently I only have the family of John and Katherine in my database but I think that once I have reviewed all my early information the three marriage scenario will appear as I have outlined above.

CT

[Chris]

Hi CT
Well I don't have any evidence apart from information given to me by another cousin that Elizabeth HAMPTON was the daughter of Edward HAMPTON and Elynor TRESISE. Her information to me was the marriage taking place on 20 May 1679 at Lelant, but I see on checking in Find My Past that it is 25 Jun 1679. I see others have her death as 1680, and given that, if she is the daughter as proposed, she would have been in her 50s, perhaps your theory is correct. If I find out anything more concrete I will let you know.
Cheers
Chris
Chris
Australia
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[Cornish Terrier]

Edward Hampton's Will was proved in 1655 and in it he mentioned grandchildren, the sons and daughters of his son James, a sister-in-law Frances Kent and his wife Ellinor and son Robert who were named executors. There is no mention of any other children either inferred or by name.
It is possible there may have been a daughter but I would have thought there would have been some indication of that in the Will if it were the case. Also, Edward Hampton was married in 1622 so if there were a daughter she would have been close on 50 at the time of the Trewhella marriage as you said.
I should think that if Elizabeth had been the daughter of an Edward Hampton it would have been the younger man who died in 1693. I think he was the grandson of the Edward above by his son James.

CT

[Chris]

Thanks for the info CT!
Cheers
Chris
Australia
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Ancestry Username coolgarra
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