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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 5, 2010 4:04:27 GMT -5
Chris - here is a brief outline of what I know about Caroline Trewhella and Douglas Lock. Douglas H H LOCK married Caroline Evelina TREWHELLA 1915 June Qtr Neath R.D. Vol 11a Page 1777 I know of two children:- Christine E E Lock born 1919 Neath R.D. Richard G Lock born 1920 Neath R.D. Caroline Evelina Trewhella was born 1888 at Llanelly, Carmarthenshire d/o John and Emily Trewhella John TREWHELLA, engineer of Gr George St, Liverpool son of Martin Trewhella, bailiff married Emily THOMAS of Llanelly daughter of Owen Thomas, wine merchant 5th September 1888 at the Liverpool Register Office In 1891 Emily was recorded as a 'boarder', stamper in tinworks, living with her brother Owen Thomas at 10 Cornish Pl, Llanelly. Her daughter Caroline was living at 4 Cornish Pl, Llanelly with Emily's sister Caroline and her husband William Evans. I have been unable to find Emily after the 1891 Census so you may be able to help here. But in 1901 Caroline (recorded as Eveline Caroline Trewhella) was living at 2 Charles Pl, Llanelly with her uncle Frederick L Thomas and his wife Harriet. I believe Emily's parents were Owen Thomas and Harriet Williams who married at Llanelly in 1841. (I have a list of 10 children for Owen and Harriet) By 1891 John Trewhella appears to have left the UK and settled himself in Canada. This is where the story becomes murky given I have no record of Emily after the 1891 Census. No record has been found to indicate Emily left the UK although it is still a possibility and no record of her death has yet been found. Whilst whatever happened to Emily is currently a mystery I do have more information on John Trewhella. John TREWHELLA (recorded as 'bachelor'), engineer, married Mabel Florence BROWN 1st September 1905 at Brantford, Brant Co., Ontario, Canada I think I have records of a couple of children from this marriage but I have not yet sorted through all the Canadian information and updated the database. However, Mabel died in Toronto 2nd January 1918. On 21st October 1925 John Trewhella married Mary Ethel Jeraleen WILLSON at Newmarket, York Co., Ontario, Canada. Ethel Wilson Trewhella was the author of at least a couple of books. As far as I know John Trewhella died in Canada about 1936 with this information having been supplied by a descendant of one of his siblings many years ago. The relative at that time knew only that John had been married to someone named Ethel and was apparently unaware of the two earlier marriages. I will be looking forward to discussing this family further with you and will be happy to help you with whatever information you need on the family. Hopefully you will also be able to help me fill in a few of the gaps. CT
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Post by chriscott on Jan 6, 2010 12:11:20 GMT -5
Hello CT
New of John Trewhella is indeed news-rumour had it he was lost at sea!
As for the 1st half of your info:
Douglas married Caroline Evelina,3 children Richard,known as Gwyn,& Christine & my mother Caroline Hazel Lucilla. I have a brother Nigel.
Caroline Evelina was brought up by Emily's sister Caroline & husband William. I believe she died circa 1899.
Emily married Jonah Thomas & went on to have 3 children Robert who died in the 14-18 war, Harriet & Caroline my Godmother who lived at 4 Cornish Place.
The Canadian connection is fascinating............
That's all for now.
Regards Chris
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 6, 2010 12:53:59 GMT -5
Funny things these rumours! I had another relative whom my grandmother (she never knew him) had been led to believe had run off with another woman. Turns out that he actually was lost at sea - or on Port Phillip Bay to be more exact. I would be interested in further details about Douglas Lock and most certainly in details of the marriage as I only have the bare information from FreeBMD. I have a copy of the marriage certificate for John and Emily and also a copy of the details of his marriage to Mabel Brown in Canada. I should have similar for the third marriage but I will have to check all my files for that one. Currently in the process of checking all my information prior to updating the database so I will review the details of the three marriages and whatever else I might have. You are welcome to copies. CT
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Post by chriscott on Jan 6, 2010 13:05:01 GMT -5
Hi Copy of the marriage certificate for John & Mabel would be great as my neice is most interested. The Douglas Lock line is long (have gone back to 1770 so far)but really interesting as cousins went to Pensacola but lost the thread. Douglas was a lover of books & writer in his spare time & an accountant for the Welsh Coal Board. Info will have to be scanned later. There is a connection to Gorvetts and Hallidays and many many Thomases. Chris
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 7, 2010 3:51:54 GMT -5
Hi Chris - if you can let me know your email address I will send you copies of the three marriages.
The third one I found again on the internet last night and is copied into a word document but proves it is the same John Trewhella.
You can make your email address visible here by amending your Profile or, if you prefer, you will find a link to my email address to the left of this message.
Hover your mouse pointer over the icons and you will find it.
I am very interested in this as I have not been able to find a record of the marriage.
The nearest I can find on FreeBMD is the marriage of a Johnah Thomas to Emily Bailey at Pontypridd in 1897.
Will await your email address but will also see if I can find some more information in the meantime.
CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 7, 2010 5:10:04 GMT -5
I have just found John Trewhella in the 1901 Canada Census.
He was at Fort Simpson, McKenzie, in the Unorganised Territories.
Stated he was single and age 35 but it is undoubtedly the same John Trewhella given that he said he was a bachelor when he married Mabel Brown.
CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 7, 2010 6:05:33 GMT -5
Now found Jonah and Emily at Cornish Place in the 1901 Census and it appears Jonah might also have been previously married.
There is a David W Thomas, son, age 13 also living in the household.
But I can still find no record of the marriage of Jonah and Emily unless she is the one in 1897 recorded as Emily BAILEY.
CT
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Post by HeatherC on Jan 7, 2010 8:08:39 GMT -5
Hi Chris and CT Not sure if you have the 1911 Census details for Emily and Jonah, but here they are......... 25 Cornish Place, Llanelly, Carmarthenshire. Five rooms occupied by 5 people. Jonah THOMAS, Head, aged 53, Married, Steel Smelter, Employed at Iron Steel Works, Born Llanelly, Carmarthenshire. Emily THOMAS, Wife, aged 47, Completed years married, 16*, Children born alive to this marriage, 4, children still living, 3, children died, 1. Born Llanelly, Carmarthenshire. R. G. THOMAS, Son, aged 14, Laborer, Employed in Tin Plate Works, Born Llanelly, Carmarthenshire. Carrie THOMAS , Daughter, aged 10, School, Born Llanelly, Carmarthenshire. Harriet THOMAS , Daughter, aged 7, School, Born Llanelly, Carmarthenshire. R. G Thomas = Robert Gwyn for Thomas born Dec Qr 1896 Llanelly? *CT - The 16 completed years married would put the marriage year around 1895. Best regards Heather
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 7, 2010 9:05:40 GMT -5
Thanks for the input heather and it is most useful. However I am still unable to find the marriage of Jonah and Emily. I have checked each of the Jonah Thomas marriages on FreeBMD and there is only one where an Emily is involved. But this is 1897 and she was Emily Bailey. I also noted in the births that Robert Gwynfor Thomas born December Qtr 1896. Recently I have worked through the GRO Indexes for Trewhella (and var.) and found no reference to a marriage for Emily. I have just r-checked a couple of Qtrs for which I had no entries and can confirm that there is no record of this marriage in the Index. This was checked by viewing the original images and not relying on transcribed indexes. CT
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Post by chriscott on Jan 8, 2010 14:43:43 GMT -5
Hi Thanks for replies & info.will get asap Snow days here so apologies for delay. Should have more info when I look Regards Chris
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Post by catrini on Jan 11, 2010 15:36:11 GMT -5
Hi CT, Im chriscott's niece and she just told me the news today that John went to canada. I'm very very shocked by it all. As i just began to believe that he had died at sea as we were hitting a brick wall with him. So thank you so much for telling us this information. I just dont know where to go with it all as there is so much information to take in. I have copies of John Trewhellas birth cert and his parents Martin and Elizabeth (hosking) marriage cert, if this would be of any interest. With regards to Jonah and Emily we dont believe they ever married, as Emily's maiden name was Thomas it was proberly quite easy for her to drop the surname Trewhella. We are also aware of Jonah having a son David. We also have more information about Emily's parents and siblings from certs we have and info from a old family bible. Heather the census record you have found is correct, although i have not had a chance to check the records for 1911 the names you have given are deffenatly our relatives, thank you. Is there passenger lists for boats to canada? As i think this may be a new place for me to start. Although its so interesting to learn all this and im glad my Grandma has had the chance to learn what happened i just feel so sorry for my g.grandmother.
Thank you again C
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 11, 2010 16:42:01 GMT -5
Hello Catrini and welcome to you also on PG.
Firstly - I would appreciate copies of the Trewhella Certificates as I do not have those ones.
As for John Trewhella it seems we are in similar boats.
From the niece of John's cousin it was known that he had married Ethel Wilson but there seemed to be no knowledge of any previous marriage.
It was also known that he died in Canada about 1936 although I have not yet found the death record.
There are some records available for passengers going to Canada but I think it is far from complete.
Should I get the chance tonight I will try and take a look and see if I can find John Trewhella.
CT
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Post by satnav on Jan 12, 2010 6:50:55 GMT -5
On Ancestry a John Trewhella arrived in New York 13 Oct 1894 aboard Paris. He was an Engineer age 27.
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Post by catrini on Jan 12, 2010 15:00:24 GMT -5
Some kind people on Genes Reunited have really helped me with trying to find John's Departure. Sat nav i do believe that is the right person as his age and job do match. Sat nav also found a border crossing between Canada and the USA of a John Trewhella in 1918.
CT i will try to scan the certs very soon although Chriscott may already have these scans set up but i will double check. CT do you know if he had any children in his marriage in Canada? as if he did they would be my grandmas first cousins. I find it so strange how a cousin knew about him remarrying but his Granddaughter (my grandma) believed he died at sea. Families are such strange things lol sorry just still trying to get my head round this news. As there is just so much to take in.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 12, 2010 22:35:59 GMT -5
Thankyou Satnav for that piece of information.
Catrini - I will look into these possibilities a little later.
I have an idea there may have been a son but I also think he died as an infant.
I should have a little more time to look at things later on as we are over the couple of extremely bad fire days and there has been a little rain this afternoon.
Will see what I can find.
CT
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