Trewela = Trewhella? (Ann of Redruth md Hocking)

[Cornish Terrier]

Again no argument - but there is still enough to warrant some reservations.

I've just looked at the Census records again and there are a few things that need to be verified. It would be nice to have the marriage record although I don't really think it would tell us too much. However if Henry was able to sign his name it would be interesting to see just how he signed!
The death certificate would be the one that might be the most interesting - dependent of course on the knowledge of the informant. It might also be interesting if there is an obituary notice that could be found.

But at the moment it is the Census that is throwing up more questions and it is the 1900 Census that has just shown me that I was incorrect in a recent post when I said Henry's age remained constant from 1870 onwards. In fact in 1900 Henry actually claimed he was 70!

Two points from the 1900 Census that need to be investigated:-

1. Henry said he was age 70 BUT he also said that he was born January 1830
2. Henry stated that he emigrated in 1849 and had been in the US for 51 years and was naturalized

Point 1 - William Henry Hocking, son of William and Sarah, was baptized 8th February 1832. Yes, he could well have been born in January but if he was born in 1830 then he would also have been an illegitimate child given his parents did not marry until 7th February 1831. In 1841 Henry was age 10 (recorded as William) and generally you would expect that to be the most accurate age when working with the Census. Even so, if he was born in January 1831 he would still have been illegitimate which in this case is really neither here nor there I suppose.

Point 2 - if Henry really did emigrate in 1849 then we would have to expect that he returned to Cornwall at least for a short time given he appears at home with William and Sarah in the 1851 Census!
Immigration and Naturalisation records would seem to be a key part of solving this problem and answering the questions but so far I have not been able to find Henry in either and Illinois-specific records on Ancestry do not adequately cover the period required.

CT

[zibetha]

Dear Cres-in Spike, Congratulations! I noticed a potential repeat of siblings' names for the first children of Henry. Illinois is a tough state to negotiate. I would say on the level of or possibly more difficult than Pennsylvania unless the person you seek lived in Cook County (Chigago.)

Z

[Cornish Terrier]

Zib - unfortunately the Henry Hocking we are looking at seems to have spent all his time in Illinois in La Salle County and mostly in the town of Peru although there is at least one record showing him in LaSalle.

As you say, if the person you want was in Cook County then you're dining at the Ritz - most other counties and you have to settle for the soup kitchen! (at the end of a busy day!!)

As per my last post I think the key items now are the Passenger Lists and Naturalization Records.

CT

[spikeharwood]

Nov 19, 2017 2:41:19 GMT -5 spikeharwood said:

And these results aren't even distant.
All these people either have Henry and Catherine as ancestors or all roads lead to them.
Matches with me
Jeanne: 70cM's across 3 segments
Suzie: 36 cM's across 2 segments
xeno: 27.6 cM's across 2 segments
bbill: 6.3cM's across one segment
These people are around the 4th cousin relationship with me (William and Sarah are my 3xggrandparents).
The expected range for fourth cousins is 0 to 127cM's with the average being 35.
Several of my confirmed Australian Hocking cousins also have DNA matches with the first three of the above.

Just an update on my DNA connections that appear to come from my Henry

Family tree connection has now been found with Xeno (27.6 cM’s over 2 segments.)
Brett Beard Tree (xeno...) commences with two living sons
Father is a living Beard, mother is a living Hockings
Her parents are George Hockings (1903-1988) and Edna Waldvogel
Tree ends
From my tree and that of bbill
George’s parents were Samuel John Hockings (1866-1950) and Victoria Klampner
Samuels’s parents were Henry Hockings and Catherine Erb.

New DNA match with Derek S in USA.
15.4 cM’s over 2 segments with me
Shared matches with Jeanne, Suzie, Xeno and one other.
Derek’s living mother is a Siebert, her living father is a Siebert.
His parents were Oscar Siebert and Gertrude Davison (1909-1992)
Tree ends
From my tree and that of bbill
Gertrude’s parents were Arthur Davison and Mabel Hockings (1885-1942)
Mabel’s parents were Henry Hockings and Catherine Erb.

I'm sure I can find a few more

[zibetha]

Delighted for you, Spike!

I am glad you decided to explore the US contingency and that things are matching up. Well worth it, isn't it?

Zib

[zibetha]

Back to Trewhelas, did you contact the Hocking association? And how did they respond?

I currently have 3 DNA matches with descendants of Thomas Trewhela and Catherine Barnes. One from son Thomas (wife Mary Edwards) and two - mother and son- from son Matthew (wife Catherine Roberts)

Zib

[spikeharwood]

The Research Officer for the Hockings Descendants Society turned out to be my 4th cousin and she also lives in Adelaide. So we have met and have regular communication. Have also met another descendant of William H and another of his sister, Grace. I might have mentioned elsewhere that I have 30 living DNA matches with descendants of William and Grace (and this doesn't include the five potential matches with Henry in the USA). I produce a document tracing these people down from William and Grace and where everyone fits in with Ancestry, FTDNA and GEDmatch. I also do the same with my Bastians and I'm about to put something together for my Julians.
Getting changes to the HDS database is difficult and in reality there is no point. There are 35,000 people in it and only 40 current members. We aren't allowed access to the database not even our own trees, everything has to go through the Research Officer. I imagine that I have more people in my own Hocking branch than they have, but I can't check their data or swap info.
Earlier this year the HDS committee decided to change the logo on the newsletter and they asked us to vote from a few options. They emailed us directly which gave everyone's email addresses and all hell broke loose. Why were we playing with logos when all we want is access to the database, many people were asking. A few - and they were knowledgeable members - resigned. The Committee have since agreed that they will set things up in such a way that we can have access to our own branch. Fairly pointless in that it's the other Hockings that pop up in my research that I need info on.
Anyways still nothing has happened. I don't push it because I know the Research Officer's mother hasn't been well - she died this week - and her partner has terminal cancer. Last I heard it was suggested they were going to make me assistant Research Officer with the entire database on my PC - not that that helps anyone else.
Oops, bit of a rant, sorry!

[zibetha]

Spike, so sorry to hear of the bad news, but I think you would be a prime candidate to step into the research role and find a way to make it accessible.

Zib