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Post by spikeharwood on Dec 9, 2014 6:42:14 GMT -5
Hmmm. Was having a look on the New York passenger lists for William Johns (circa 1852) when who should I bump into but a James Johns. AND on the Mountaineer which was the ship that a William Hocking immigrated on, and is most likely our William. But there's more...passenger numbers 30 and 31.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 9, 2014 20:32:50 GMT -5
Population-wise Redruth is very large so it would be a big effort to transcribe everything but the main problem I think is that the OPC simply does not have the records for that period. There is a printed transcript of records up to 1749 and those same records are available on FamilySearch in the form of images of the original registers. I am not certain whether the OPC has copies of those particular records or not. The Devon and Cornwall Record Society transcribed records from 1750 to 1837 in the 1920s and I know the OPC has some of those but unfortunately Baptisms for the period 1750-1812 are not included. The contents of the D&CRS Transcripts are:- Baptisms 1813-1830 Marriages 1717-1812 Marriages 1813-1837 Burials 1717-1803 Burials 1804-1837 Baptisms 1830-1837
On FamilySearch you can find images of the original registers for the following:- Baptisms, Marriages, Burials 1560-1689 Baptisms, Marriages, Burials 1688-1719 Baptisms, Marriages, Burials 1716-1749 Baptisms, Burials 1804-1812 Baptisms 1837-1908 Burials 1813-1831 Marriages 1813-1830
I don't know what documentation might have been required but there would have been Departure records and Arrival records of which not all survived. There may be some information about what emigrants might have been required to produce but you would probably have to search for them. You might try using Google to see if anything can be found.
Yes, it is possible William might have emigrated under the surname Johns so it might be worth searching for him under both names.
CT
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Post by spikeharwood on Jul 3, 2016 19:26:12 GMT -5
I'd just like to share a magic DNA moment I've had in relation to Sarah JOHNS and two of her sons John and Philip HOCKING. We receive one of each pair of our 22 chromosomes from each parent. The 23rd pair is the X chromosome . A female receives an X from each parent. If we are male our X chromosome comes from our mother and we receive a Y chromosome from our father. There is therefore a specific inheritance pattern for X-DNA . It is set out in the diagram/spreadsheet, below (courtesy of Louise Coakley). Generally speaking males do not get many DNA matches on the X chromosome, I have three including one male by the name of Trezise, a solid Cornish name albeit one not in any of my trees. We had an X-DNA match of a "freakish" 40.1 centimorgans at a distance of 5 generations. I also knew using a triangulation tool available at Gedmatch, that we actually had an ancestor in common as we had a match with each other and another person at identical locations on Chromosome 4. I filled in the spreadsheet and emailed it off a few days ago. I received a response within 30 minutes from the administrator for the Trezise Surname project. He recognised several of the names but thought the likely connection was a John Hocking who married Elizabeth Goldsworthy (which he later confirmed). Sure enough, they were in my tree, John being a brother to my gggrandfather, Philip Hocking with the common ancestor being their mother, Sarah Johns. This of course ties in with the detail on this thread. And the match goes myself (A) >my mother (B)> her mother (C)> her mother, Sarah Hocking (D)> her father, Philip (E)> his mother, Sarah JOHNS(F)>her son, John (also E)>etc. (Click on the pic to enlarge.) I'm rather chuffed to have determined who contributed such a large chunk of DNA to my X-chromosome. If the X-chromosome is 196 centimorgans in length, Sarah has provided 20% (or possibly more). On average, ancestors at that distance should be contributing 24.5cM's. Nice when everything falls into place and the DNA confirms the known paper trail!!
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Post by zibetha on Jul 4, 2016 14:05:50 GMT -5
Spike, that is great! A little info re: your US connections: William J Hocking married Catherine Moore and was a grocer in the Keweenaw Peninsula. His brother, Henry, was in his household in 1860, then seems to have moved North to Canada where he married and raised a family. Henry had a son, William (1857), who was a building contractor and relocated to the USA. Henry is on the 1920 Census in San Diego residing with William and his wife, Jessie. Henry died in California 1923. You can find William JOHNS Hocking (died 1927) and Jessie Davis Lucas Hocking's gravesite on Find a Grave. Zibetha
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Post by spikeharwood on Jul 5, 2016 2:05:41 GMT -5
Hi cousin Zibetha, I was only looking at the time of writing the previous post at all the Hockings buried at the Republic Township Cemetery including William and Catherine. I had previously decided that once anyone went to the US, I'd forget about them. But now I'm finding so many DNA matches with unknown US people with no UK connection in their trees that I will now have to extend my trees and find the connections myself. Thanks for the info on Henry. I had him on the 1850 census with William, but never saw him again. Will follow your lead through. I ordered a Y-DNA test recently and decided the aged parent could test rather than me. The kit arrived this morning, so I rushed out to the Nursing Home and scraped his cheeks, (I feel so, ahh, dirty ), and posted it off. Have you done the triangulation thing with Gedmatch? Takes 45 minutes to run! You don't get access unless you're a donor. I will run one for you if you like and email the report. Might be some names you recognise. Spike (Just for everyone's info Zib, Mary Chown and I are about 6th cousins via our common Kitto/Ford ancestors. We had a paper trail to prove it, but earlier this year Zib and I proved it via our DNA)
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Post by zibetha on Jul 5, 2016 22:48:51 GMT -5
Dear Cousin Spike,
I am slowly learning about DNA. Another cousin who shares a strong DNA Match with me on Ancestry told me about Gedmatch and exploring admixture results (somewhat over my head!)and that was what prompted me to upload my test. I like the chromosome browser (in color, of course) a lot and the option to search deeper than Ancestry.com's set tolerance level.
Ancestry matches with a sibling and, new this weekend, a second cousin of my mother's, have helped me see what a strong/close match looks like. I finally figured out that if you click the dot labeled "i", you can see the centimorgan count for a match on Ancestry. Trial and error.
Ancestry's "shared matches" are helpful for me when people don't link their test results to a tree, and I am finding the option to view the list of matches to my matches on Gedmatch useful on occasion-- they are so long, though. I have not tried triangulation there or posted a Gedcom.
Cousin Zib
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Post by spikeharwood on Aug 10, 2016 17:19:08 GMT -5
Spike, that is great! A little info re: your US connections: William J Hocking married Catherine Moore and was a grocer in the Keweenaw Peninsula. His brother, Henry, was in his household in 1860, then seems to have moved North to Canada where he married and raised a family. Henry had a son, William (1857), who was a building contractor and relocated to the USA. Henry is on the 1920 Census in San Diego residing with William and his wife, Jessie. Henry died in California 1923. You can find William JOHNS Hocking (died 1927) and Jessie Davis Lucas Hocking's gravesite on Find a Grave. Zibetha Was following this up when I accidentally found another Hocking fourth cousin living here in Adelaide. The paper trail was already there, but I found the DNA match on Ancestry. I already had another fourth cousin who I had discovered pre-DNA days. Next week we are all having afternoon tea together!! Now as far as Henry Hocking goes, he is giving me the irrates. Cannot find anyone remotely resembling his wife. The only clue I have is, according to the son's census record, she was born in England. That narrows it down a bit.
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Post by zibetha on Aug 10, 2016 18:19:59 GMT -5
Spike, Henry was a widower in 1901 in Simcoe, Collingwood, Ontario, Canada. I found an 1896 death record for his wife "Louisa"(got her first name from 2 of her children's marriages) -- nothing identifying her parents. But (spoiler alert) then I found this: www.canadianheadstones.com/on/view.php?id=200128I think you will like it Zib
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Post by spikeharwood on Aug 10, 2016 19:26:36 GMT -5
LOL. Yes I like it. Very much. Many thanks, Zib. I did actually have her name starting with L, for some reason. Now, the interesting bit, I'm going to check to see if Henry married his cousin!!
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Post by zibetha on Feb 24, 2017 2:08:41 GMT -5
Spike,
Out of the blue, I was surprised to find a DNA match to a great-great-grandchild of William Hocking and Catherine Moore. As far as I can figure right now, it is via the Polkinghorne family. I am still finding matches that seem to go back farther than one would expect, but I am getting used to that! Ancestry seems to have loosened up on their algorithm lately, I think. This a 16.1 cM match over 1 segment of DNA. Are you noticing anything similar?
Zib
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Post by spikeharwood on Feb 24, 2017 3:19:55 GMT -5
Zib, I should have read this first then your pm might have made more sense. I'm sending an email. I've traced William and Henry's descendants in the USA. I now have 99 pax in that tree. I've chatted to at least one of them I can see the Polkinghorn marriage and the Francis/Hocking marriage and yes I have Robert FRANCIS and Florence Aune."Doug" has a tree but he is not matching with me.
I'm not sure I've noticed that Ancestry have loosened up as such. What I have noticed is that I'm getting slammed with quite decent matches and emails on Anc and FTDNA from the Christmas specials.
Should mention that the thing about single segment matches is that they can go back a ways, so the relationship and generations is never as reliable as if there are several segments involved - even for the same size match.I'm not sure that would explain a 16cM match for an 11th cousin. Chances are there is a closer match lurking - but maybe not!
Had morning tea two weeks ago with two of my Hocking fourth cousins. I have also matched and contacted another. So of the six brothers of my great great grandfather Hocking who came to Australia I have DNA matches with four descendants of three of the brothers.
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Post by zibetha on Feb 24, 2017 4:12:18 GMT -5
I am seeing higher centiMorgan levels in my new matches whose results are starting to show up from the holiday DNA special offers.
I am receiving 12-20 DNA matches a day. If only I could identify them all. I am working on it!
Zib
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Post by spikeharwood on Feb 24, 2017 4:35:05 GMT -5
Getting similar here. My 4th to 6th cousins increased by 3 today. But I can only see one of them. I'm thinking the other two have been upgraded.
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Post by spikeharwood on Nov 16, 2017 4:23:15 GMT -5
I've recently convinced myself that the Henry who married Louisa Johns is not my Henry. A couple of things on researching documents: if Henry has a wife and young family in Canada, why is he staying with his brother in 1860. If Henry is a miner in 1860, how is he a builder in 1880. When he leaves Canada for the USA after his wife dies he says he was born in St Austell not Redruth.
And now for DNA matters: I have DNA matches with descendants of five of Henry's seven brothers who came to South Aust. I have four matches from William who went to the USA. I have zero matches with Henry. I have four DNA matches with a mystery Hocking in the USA. All of these people match each other and some match Hocking descendants in South Australia. All of these matches derive from a Catherine Erb who married a Henry Hocking born Cornwall. He is supposedly the son of Joseph Hocking and Mary Casley. Joseph and Mary had several sons including Thomas Casley Hocking who went to Victoria. I think Henry came out as well. There is a 1901 death recorded in VIC BDM's as Hy, father Jos, mother Mary maiden name Casley. And when Thomas died a Henry Hocking married his widow.
So I'm thinking the Henry who married Catherine Erb may well be my Henry. I do have one match with Henry who has agreed to help sort it out but I don't seem to have convinced him yet.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 16, 2017 15:58:45 GMT -5
Spike - I'm not sure that this argument will work. The Henry who supposedly married Catherine Erb was recorded as 'Hawkins' in at least two Censuses I have looked at although FS has some of his children married as 'Hockings'. His birth is also not clear being age 29 according to the 1870 Census at Peru, Illinois and then in 1900, still living at Peru, he is age 70. That gives a birth anywhere from about 1830 to about 1841. Another point of interest is that in the 1900 Census Henry stated he arrived in the US in 1849 although I am finding it a little different to verify due to the variant spellings of the surname. However, you mentioned in your recent post that the husband of Catherine Erb is supposed to have been the son of Joseph Hocking and Mary Casley - it is at this point that the problems arise. Henry Hocking/Hawkins was a widower and still living at Peru, Illinois in 1900 yet the Victorian Death Index shows that a Henry Hocking age 62 died in Victoria in 1901 with parents recorded as Joseph Hocking and Mary Casley! In 1900 Henry says he arrived in the US in 1849 yet the 1851 Census for St Just shows that Joseph and Mary Hocking had their son Henry still living with them. Henry Hocking/Hawkins was a widower by 1900 and had been living at Peru, Illinois from at least 1860-1900 so it is a little difficult to understand why he should up sticks and wander off to Australia when around 1900 he still has children being married. In fact son Samuel was married at Pontiac, Illinois in August 1900. Oh yes, I just found the family in the 1880 Census - listed as HARKINS! Unfortunately if this Henry died in Illinois then it was sometime between 1900 and 1910 for which period very few records have yet been indexed. But I suspect we are dealing with two different Henry Hocking/Hawkins/Harkins and that this one did indeed probably die in Illinois. I also suspect any link to Joseph Hocking and Mary Casley for this Henry might be erroneous. CT
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