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Post by gamo16 on Dec 5, 2009 6:01:48 GMT -5
Hi can anyone please help? I'm struggling to confirm which Wilmot Gyles married Samuel Williams in 1801. Is it Wilmot born 1777 to John Gyles and Ann Launder or Wilmot born 1781 to Richard Gyles and Elizabeth Bennets  |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 5, 2009 14:28:51 GMT -5
I do not have enough information available to answer the question just yet.  Do you know of any children to this marriage? If so could you please list them for me along with dates and place of baptism. From there I may be able to find the answer for you. CT |
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Post by gamo16 on Dec 6, 2009 4:24:40 GMT -5
No sorry. (I'm working backwards on this one - my Wilmot is the one born to John and Ann a sibling of my 4X G GF Thomas Gyles b1784) There are no children born to Samuel and Wilmot on the St Ives database.
Thanks for trying. I like to work sidewards and back sometimes as it can help to find others tracing the same tree.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 6, 2009 9:23:27 GMT -5
Hmmm - okay. There are a few Wilmot Gyles at St Ives and I would like to get them tidied up so will try and look at the problem again as soon as I can. (Hopefully the next few days)  CT |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 7, 2009 8:55:45 GMT -5
I still have a way to go - but I am leaning towards Wilmot (1777) d/o John and Ann as being the one who married Samuel Williams. Whichever Wilmot married Samuel Williams I now believe to have been the sister of John Gyles, mariner, who married Johanna Harry. I say this because John and Johanna named a son Samuel Williams Gyles. Years ago I was given information suggesting that John was born about 1791 but I am now doubting that information. John does not appear in the 1841 Census and he is deceased by 1851. The only John born about 1791 at St Ives was a 'cooper' by trade and I believe him to be the son of Richard Gyles (also a cooper) and Elizabeth Bennetts. I am now inclined to think John Gyles, mariner, was the son of John and Ann but baptised in 1779 at St Ives. The elder John was also a mariner. This being the case then it follows that your Wilmot was the wife of Samuel Williams. More work to be done but this is how I am currently seeing the situation.  CT BTW - you mention your direct ancestor was Thomas Gyles born 1784. Can you tell me a little more about him and his family please?  |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 7, 2009 9:04:53 GMT -5
I believe I now have a little more to support my theory! Thomas Bryant married Wilmot Gyles 24th April 1803 at St Ives In 1851 Wilmot was still living at St Ives with Thomas - and her age was 70 (consistent with 1841 when she was 60). This Wilmot must almost certainly be the daughter of Richard and Elizabeth and baptised at St Ives in 1781. CT |
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Post by gamo16 on Dec 8, 2009 12:55:01 GMT -5
Thanks for this, I knew I could rely on you -you're a star. This is what I have on Thomas Gyles - He was the son of John Gyles and Ann Lander (Launder?) and his siblings were Ann and Mary 1772, Ann 1774, Wilmot 1777, John 1779 and Elizabeth 1781 all born in St Ives. Thomas married Frances Harry in 1809 and had 2 childen (that I know of) Frances 1810 and Nancy 1812. Nancy married Edward Trevarthen in 1836 in St Clement had 6 children including Grace Harry Trevarthen 1856. They moved to Cardiff when she was a young child where she married Mark Banks and had Nancy Gyles Banks 1879 who was my great grandmother. Phew!!! hope you can fathom that lot out.  |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 8, 2009 21:48:05 GMT -5
You are welcome. A process of elimination provided the most logical answer for Wilmot. There was a Wilmot Williams buried at St Ives 17th March 1831. The problem is that she was age 56 which would, if accurate, place her birth about 1774/5. It is possible this is the same Wilmot but I cannot be sure. My other concern is still with John Gyles who married Johanna Harry. The fact he named a son Samuel Williams Gyles is a logical link to Wilmot Gyles and her husband. But he is not found in any Census and I have been unable to find a burial for him. Therefore it is not possible to determine his age and, therefore, his parentage accurately. I think he must be the son of John and Ann but the information that he was born about 1791 bugs me given I have found nothing more to substatiate it. Will do some more poking around on this one and see if anything turns up. CT |
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Post by davidkingmartin on Dec 9, 2009 8:59:01 GMT -5
My "pennyworth":
Samuel Gyles 1841 Census, St.Ives,aged 15. Brother William, sister Fanny.
No father. Mother: Hannah 1786. Hannah-Anna-Joanna...?
Also:
Johanna Harry Gyles 1853 (or 4) St.Ives,1861 and 1871 Census. Father: William Harry Gyles 1816.
"Gyles" can sometimes be found under "Giles".
My interest in Giles stems from "John Williams 1796/daughter Hannah Giles Williams 1826"...but there may be no clear "link" to the subject of this posting.
DKM
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 9, 2009 9:17:49 GMT -5
David - another reason why I think John Gyles was more likely son of John and Ann is that his wife, Johanna Harry, was baptised in 1786 at St Ives. Nothing that says the husband has to be older than the wife and it is quite often not the case - but I think I probably have the right connection now. But your GILES information is rather abstract.  If you are looking for help with Hannah Giles Williams could you specify some details please. (Parish for example?) |
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