Post by trencrom on Sept 30, 2021 10:39:14 GMT -5
Hi Christopher,
I can't speak to any DNA aspects of the family history, not being a direct male line descendant of them, but in relation to non-DNA aspects I can make the following comments:
As far as I am aware, no one has got the line further back. I have been quite impressed with the work of posters on this forum, in getting as much detail as they have for later centuries of the family. Unfortunately it is not always possible to get lines further back, and many lines as you know will not even be able to be traced back as far as the Lanyon one has been.
I would imagine that Roger had to be of Norman extraction, or at least had adopted a Norman name, since his given name is Norman and not Anglo-Saxon or Cornish, by which I mean Celtic Cornish; however it does not follow that all the Normans came across in the 1066 Conquest. Many of course did, and most of them will be undocumented, particularly they were simply nothing more than soldiers in Duke William's army.
Those who did come across in the Conquest, and who were allocated lands, could however be expected to appear in the Domesday survey of 1086. I don't recall offhand any reference to the Lanyons in that survey.
Further Normans probably came across when Henry I took the throne, and others may have come across with Henry II, as he held Normandy before becoming king of England when Stephen died. It is even possible that some fled across the Channel into England when King John lost all his Norman territory to the French in 1204. Another possibility is that the family were Normans resident initially elsewhere in Britain, and that they then acquired Cornish land subsequently, e.g. by marriage, moving thereafter into Cornwall accordingly. I have seen that sort of move happen with other Norman families in Britain.
You could try looking for the surname, and all variants, in the published Pipe Rolls, in the published Curia Regis rolls, in "Domesday Descendants" by Keats-Rohan, and in the Book of Fees a.k.a. Testa de Nevill, to see there are any references in the 12th and 13th centuries to the family. Also check out the "Calendar of Documents Preserved in France 918-1206" by J. Horace Round, which is an old and large work.
Trencrom
I can't speak to any DNA aspects of the family history, not being a direct male line descendant of them, but in relation to non-DNA aspects I can make the following comments:
As far as I am aware, no one has got the line further back. I have been quite impressed with the work of posters on this forum, in getting as much detail as they have for later centuries of the family. Unfortunately it is not always possible to get lines further back, and many lines as you know will not even be able to be traced back as far as the Lanyon one has been.
I would imagine that Roger had to be of Norman extraction, or at least had adopted a Norman name, since his given name is Norman and not Anglo-Saxon or Cornish, by which I mean Celtic Cornish; however it does not follow that all the Normans came across in the 1066 Conquest. Many of course did, and most of them will be undocumented, particularly they were simply nothing more than soldiers in Duke William's army.
Those who did come across in the Conquest, and who were allocated lands, could however be expected to appear in the Domesday survey of 1086. I don't recall offhand any reference to the Lanyons in that survey.
Further Normans probably came across when Henry I took the throne, and others may have come across with Henry II, as he held Normandy before becoming king of England when Stephen died. It is even possible that some fled across the Channel into England when King John lost all his Norman territory to the French in 1204. Another possibility is that the family were Normans resident initially elsewhere in Britain, and that they then acquired Cornish land subsequently, e.g. by marriage, moving thereafter into Cornwall accordingly. I have seen that sort of move happen with other Norman families in Britain.
You could try looking for the surname, and all variants, in the published Pipe Rolls, in the published Curia Regis rolls, in "Domesday Descendants" by Keats-Rohan, and in the Book of Fees a.k.a. Testa de Nevill, to see there are any references in the 12th and 13th centuries to the family. Also check out the "Calendar of Documents Preserved in France 918-1206" by J. Horace Round, which is an old and large work.
Trencrom