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Post by marychown on Oct 25, 2009 16:23:31 GMT -5
Wondering if anybody might have any ideas on the following.
On 18 July 1808 Philip Tucker (bapt. 29 Apr 1774 at Helston; buried 19 Jan 1855 at Wendron) married ANN BURDON at Budock (Phillimore's and OPC record). In the 1841 census and living at Roselydden, Wendron are Philip Tucker, age 65, Carpenter, born in County, Ann Tucker, age 60, born in County and Finilia Tucker, age 20, born in County. In the 1851 Census still living at Roselydden, Wendron are Philip Tucker, Head, married, Carpenter, born Helston and Ann Tucker, Wife, married, age 75 born at Camborne. Ann and Philip's daughter Finilia (in various censuses named as Finelia, Fennella, Fernilia and even Amelia in Breage church records) married Solomon Burge of Wendron at Breage on 5 Feb 1842 and their eldest daughter was named Mary Burden Burge.
Now, I have been unable to find any baptism record for ANN BURDON born about 1776/1777 in the Camborne area. I have been able to find an IGI birth and baptism record for Ann BAUDEN d/o William Bauden & Eliza at Crowan (next parish to Camborne) - birth on 6 Jan 1777 and baptism at Crowan on 3 Feb 1777. There is a baptism record for a William BODEN at Breage on 17 Feb 1745 and a burial record for William BAWDEN aged 80 at neighbouring parish Sithney on 11 November 1827, which could possibly be him.
Do you think it is possible that Ann BURDON could be the Ann BAUDEN mentioned above and that her father was William BODEN/BAWDEN? This brick wall that I have hit regarding Ann BURDON has been annoying me for a long time.
Mary
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 26, 2009 9:08:11 GMT -5
Mary I don't think I would go too far down the Bauden/Bawden etc. track just yet.
Mary d/o Arthur and Phillis BURDEN bp. 12th October 1777 at Camborne
Arthur BURDEN, sojourner married Phillis MARTEN 11th November 1776 at Camborne
I realise the dates would conflict with the projected birth of Ann however this shows that BURDEN was a name in use in the area.
And also remember that Solomon Burge and his wife named their first daughter MARY BURDEN BURGE.
Enough similarities here to warrant a big more digging I think.
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Post by marychown on Oct 26, 2009 11:08:39 GMT -5
Many thanks for your information, CT. I suppose it could be possible that Ann and Mary Burden baptised 12 October 1777 at Camborne were the same person.
Solomon Burge was the son of James Burge from Somerset who was in the Somerset Regiment Militia and who moved to Helston area and Martha Dally (bapt. 25 Dec 1785 at Wendron) who were married at Wendron on 17 June 1806. Although I don't know James's parentage, Martha was the daughter of Richard Dally and Martha Pascoe who were married at Wendron on 8 Sep 1777. James and Martha appear to have had 10 children and none of them was named Mary. So I would hazard a guess that the name Mary Burden Burge must have come from Fernilia's family. Also having had a good look at the lineage of Philip Tucker, he was the son of Francis Tucker (bapt. 7 June 1737 at Wendron) who I believe married Jane Cock (bapt 17 Nov 1742 at Constantine) at Helston on 1 Oct 1764.
Also I have discovered that Fernilia Tucker had a brother called Thomas Tucker (bapt 17 Feb 1815 at Wendron) who married somebody called Jane. In the 1861 census and living in Church St, Helston are Jane Tucker, Head, Married, Carpenter's Wife, born at Mawgan, Cornwall with a daughter called Mary Jane Burden Tucker, Daughter, Unmarried, 20, born at Helston - with two sons, Philip and John, also living in the household. I would say that also points to Fernilia and Thomas Tuckers' mother maybe having been called MARY BURDEN. However, I don't think there will be a way of proving that Ann/Mary Burden were one and the same person although they would have been born around the same time.
I'll keep on digging!
Mary
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Post by Mal on Oct 26, 2009 14:48:05 GMT -5
I have been thinking about this one. Of course there is always the chaos factor involved with transcription errors and I think that Aemilia sounds more reasonable than Fenilia, a bit catty was she? I can't see Bauden coming from Burden to be honest, not unless it is a transcription error. Given the West Country being one of the last places where "r" is pronounced everywhere it seems a big leap- not to say it isn't possible though. As CT has pointed out we have the middle name Burden too, that would swing it for me and it is also a name I have come across elsewhere- in the Bottrell thread. One thing I would advise, although it is often the case, do not jump to the conclusion that a middle name is necessarily the mother's maiden name. I have instances in my family where a surname became a middle name that was then carried on for two generations and then became alternately a middle name and also first name with various cousins and aunts.
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Post by marychown on Oct 27, 2009 3:49:02 GMT -5
Thanks for your input, Malcolm. Yes, I do agree that Ann's surname was BURDEN.
Regarding Ann's daughter Fernilia/Amelia, that really is a teaser.
IGI baptism record names her as AMELIA TUCKER d/o Philip Tucker and Ann, baptised on 26 Sep 1813 at Wendron;
OPC records her name both ways! There is a banns and marriage record transcribed by Althea Barker - naming her as AMELIA TUCKER of Wendron with banns being read on 09/01/1842, 16/01/1842 and 23/10/1842 with a marriage on 5 Feb 1842 to Solomon Burge. Also in the OPC records there is a marriage record transcribed by Althea Johnson naming her as FERNILIA TUCKER married at Breage on 5 February 1842 to Solomon Burge;
In Breage Burials 1880-1904 there is an entry on 11 September 1888 - FENELLA BURGE of Treworlis age 75 Death registered at Helston September Quarter 1888 - Fenelia Burge age 71;
There are a variety of spellings in the Censuses - 1851 Finiliea, 1861 Finilia, 1871 Phinelia, 1881 Finilea!
There we have it, she was baptised as Amelia, recorded at marriage both under Amelia and Fernilia, buried under Fenella and death recorded at Helston under Fenelia.
I can only assume that she was baptised as Amelia but was always known as Fenelia. Her daughter Eliza Jane Burge named her daughter Amelia Jane Paddy, so I would think that was her correct name. However, a granddaughter in the USA was named Finalla Frances Burge!
Mary
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