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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 15, 2010 11:57:31 GMT -5
I have just been right through the problem of Susanna Dobb and I am no closer to identifying her. But I have found some strange anomalies. For the children of William and Susanna Dobb I can find only two baptisms. Their first child was William John Dobb baptised at Germoe 2nd May 1847 and buried at Breage 18th May 1847. Their THIRD child was Mary baptised at Godolphin 28th June 1850. I can find no baptism for any of the following 9 children of William and Susanna and no can I find any baptisms for the two children of William by his second wife Mary Ann Jacka! It could be argued that non-conformist baptisms might be involved with all of these. But I have searched the OPC site and also other non-conformist records for the area and there is absolutely no sign of them. Perhaps more intriguing is the second child. Grace Reynolds DOBB was born about 1848 at Breage and married William UREN at Penzance St Paul in 1871. She died in 1872 and is buried at Penzance. No baptism for her yet siblings either side can be found. The other anomaly I have found is in the 1841 Census. Lannanta has commented about the fact that there was a Susanna Glasson at Madron whose age matched the future Mrs Dobb. He also commented on the fact that Susanna was with the family of Willm Burt, Wesleyan Minister. But a closer look at this image shows that Susanna may not actually have been with this household! Before her name is the // which usually indicates a division between enumerated households. BUT in the margin beside her name is also this entry:- "Omitted page 26 X" But there are no Glassons on that page and the only George is George Maddern age 12. Unfortunately - stuck again! But I do wonder why the first daughter was named Grace Reynolds Dobb? And to add more confusion to the mix - Grace appears to be the 'Grace Reynolds' enumerated as a visitor to William and Wilmot Trewhella at Madron in 1871. CT
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Post by londoner on Sept 15, 2010 13:20:35 GMT -5
have you identified the Susan Glasson sandwiched between Jane Hendy & William Hendy Madron Book 2 folio 30 page 10 . She is a few years too old perhaps. A*** have her as Ann Luey!
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Post by londoner on Sept 15, 2010 13:45:10 GMT -5
forget her. it has to be the other one because on page 26 - from whence she is omitted is the family of Thomas and Ann TROUNCE Thomas Trounce m Ann Glasson (daughter of John & Blanch?)at Breage in 1810 so she must be related to them somehow. Their daughter Ann also age 15 is also a dressmakers apprentice, and they have a daughter Susan. I'm using the Cornwall online census project as the page numbers on A* are a bit confusing
I just looked at the 1846 marriages for Breage did you realise that the previous entry has three Georges in it - could it be a case of clerical error and her father's name should have been John - making her Ann Trounce's neice? The only problem is that she fairly consistently said she was born at Madron. over to you....
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 15, 2010 13:59:44 GMT -5
In actual fact she is sandwiched between JANE Hendy and William Hendy. And above Jane is the so called Ann LUEY who is, in fact Ann IVEY. As you say, this one can probably be ignored. For one thing she is at least 15 years too old. I will check out the Trounce connection and see what it turns up. And thankyou for offering something new! CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 15, 2010 14:06:53 GMT -5
Hmmm - If the Susanna at Madron in 1841 is meant to be with the family of Thomas and Ann Trounce then she was probably the daughter of John and Mary Glasson from Breage.
In that case she would be the 'other' Susanna' referred to early in this thread who went to Australia.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2010 20:37:25 GMT -5
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If you look at the 1851 census you see that William Dobb and family are at Ashton - which is exactly where the other Susan was in the 1841 census - suggesting that the out of place Susan with the Trounce family is the daughter of John and Mary and the other Susan at the house of Robert Carne at Ashton is the Susan who married William Dobb?
If that is the case then maybe we should be looking at the other Susan Glasson, dressmaker, in the 1841 census?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 15, 2010 21:56:36 GMT -5
That does make sense - especially if the couple Susanna is with are Robert CARNE and Ann BASSETT, widow, who married at Madron 8th July 1820.
I don't know who Ann was before she married Mr Bassett although she does not appear to have been a Glasson.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2010 20:10:04 GMT -5
CT et al In fact it requires a certain "leap of fath" if I may be so bold? In 1841 Susan Glasson is to be found at Madron and she is a dressmaker. We are suggesting that this is the daughter of John and Mary of Breage and she is with relations. Being the daughter of John and Mary she is therefore from Breage herself. We also have a second Susan Glasson, also a dressmaker, and she is to be found at Ashton in Breage. Here we are suggesting that she is from Paul/Madron, the daughter of George (Glasson I assume). You could not be criticised for suggesting that they are back to front - the Madron girl is from Madron and the Breage girl is from Breage. But I believe that it is not the case - Susan (Susanna) Glasson, bap 8/1/1824 at Breage is with the Trounce family at Madron in the 1841 census. She is with her own family at Breage in the 1851 census and then she emigrates to Bookanon, Australia with her brother Henry in 1860. The second Susan (Susanna), possibly not baptised, born Paul/Madron, is with Robert Carne at Ash Town in Breage in the 1841 census, married to William Dobb in 1846, and living with him and their family in the 1851, 61 and 71 census at Ash Town. Susanna died in 1872. The second Susanna named her first child William John, probably after her husband William, and his father John. The second child was Grace Runnalls (Reynolds) Glasson. The third child was Mary, probably named after the mother of her husband - Mary nee James. It could be suggested that the name Grace Reynolds must therefore belong to the family of Susanna - and it might - but it should be noted that there was a death for a Grace Dobb during the time this family was having children so Grace could easily be named for an aunt of the husband William. In 1851 Susanna Dobb states in the census that she is from Paul. This is the first time that her birth place is recorded and therefore is just as likely to be correct as the latter use of Madron. If she is correct in asserting that her father was George Glasson then that person must be one of: George Glasson, bap 27/1/1802, son of William Glasson & Mary Hitchens, first (of three) married to Ann Pearce in 1829 at Paul; or George Boase Glasson, bap 4/5/1781, son of George and Sarah, married to Ann Husband in Devon in 1822; or George Cornish Glasson, bap 7/10/1798, son of John and Constance, first (of two) married to Mary Biggs in 1828 at Hereford. The George most obvious (that is the way Hercule Poirot would have said it ;D) stands out like a sore thumb. Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 18, 2010 14:01:51 GMT -5
There are two main problems here. 1. No possible baptism has yet been found for Susanna .......... under any name. 2. We are relying solely on one document where it was recorded that her father was named George Glasson. And we know just how accurate Marriage Certificates can be ............ Don't We! But you are correct in that there is one obvious culprit IF the other information is correct.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2010 17:21:08 GMT -5
CT Yes agree with that, although I must admit that in the William Glasson / Belinda Pearce marriage where for so long it looked as if the record was incorrect, eventually it was only the age of the groom that was incorrect and not the name of the father of the groom.
It would appear to me that Susanna was illegitimate and so I am not too surprised at the lack of a baptism, which could of course explain the lack of baptisms in her own family.
With respect to a possible baptism for Susanna - do you have the baptism records for the parish of Paul around 1825?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 19, 2010 1:32:58 GMT -5
Yes I do .............. and I have checked but with no result.
All Susannah's are comfortably linked to parents and no sign of a stray that could be illegitimate.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2011 3:42:06 GMT -5
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Wanna cast your mind back to Susanna Glasson and the family from Gulval??
This from the CRO:
So who is this George Glasson? I certainly do not have a burial in 1812 or thereabouts - do you?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 13, 2011 6:58:16 GMT -5
Nearest burial I have for a George Glasson is at Paul in 1805 I think. But I think the first thing that needs to be known is the actual location of the Tithe in question? The papers relate to the family of Rosemorran, Gulval but there is actually nothing in what you have presented to say that the tithe itself is in Gulval. CT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2011 14:25:23 GMT -5
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I think that I will get the document to have a look but I think the more important issue is exactly who is George because we were suggesting an unaccounted for Glasson family in the Gulval area and if this George was real he is proof of the supposed family and he has the right name to be associated with Susanna Dobb, albeit a generation earlier perhaps.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 14, 2011 1:46:23 GMT -5
I agree. But if it is the man associated with Susanna then why the heck can we find no other records for them? After all ............ everybody's gotta be somewhere! CT
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