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Post by lorenal on Oct 5, 2009 13:09:43 GMT -5
Hallo fellow Glasson families - I am trying to trace the lineage of Susanna Glasson Dobb (she married William James Dobb and had 12 children). The only mention I can find of her parentage is the name of the father listed as George on the marriage record. It indicates also he is a labourer. Her home is listed as Afterwashes (Breage, Cornwall). Her age at marriage is listed as 21 and I believe she was born about 1826. Her marriage was June 14 1846. I am trying to track her line back and wonder if anyone has come across her name or relations in their own genealogy work. Happy to exchange any info.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2009 14:48:31 GMT -5
Hello and welcome
When I first saw your post I immediately thought that this was another reference to the "John Glasson of Bookanon" and the publication "The Glasson Saga". Had that been the case your Susan would have been the daughter of John Glasson and Mary Glasson of Tremearne in Breage - both Glassons in their own right. This Susan was born around 1825 in Breage and appears in both the 1841 and 1851 census, although in 1841 she is not living at home. Then on further reading I realised that this Susan travelled to Australia in 1860 and I am sure was not Mrs Dobb.
It is interesting because there are two family trees on Ancestry that have made this exact mistake - and mistake it must be because while in 1860 the abovementioned Susan was in Australia, Mrs Susan Dobb was living in Breage with already a substantial family - and she was one of my lot - from Madron.
So in the 1841 census at Madron there is a Susan Glasson, birth about rounded to 1826 (although likely to be correct as the other people in the house were not rounded), a dressmaker. This is likely to be the future wife of Mr Dobb. But I believe her to be a mystery at the moment. If you follow her through the various census up until about 1872 when she allegedly dies, there is no son named George - unusual.
The only George that gets close to this is George and wife Ann Pearce but they were not married until 1829.
There is a birth at Breage to George and Eliza in 1833 but I am not familiar with this family at all.
So maybe somebody has a baptism for a Susan Glasson in or about 1826 in or near Madron??
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 6, 2009 9:09:12 GMT -5
I have been thinking about this little problem and having a look around without much success. But I have found something (albeit in IGI) that might be worth looking at:- George GLASSON m. Ann HUSBAND 30th May 1822 Stoke Damerel, Devon Being after 1812 it is difficult to expect too much but there are very few entries for the Glasson name in Devon. If you take a look at the 1851 Census there appear to be only 12 of the name resident in Devon. Go the other way and look for those born iin Devon and there seem to be only 5. I have not been able to find a baptism for Susan as yet but I certainly think it might be worth checking more on George and Ann. The timing of the marriage fits the scenario quite nicely and 'Husband' is not an unknown name in Cornwall either. I am not prepared at the moment to go through every IGI entry for the Glasson name in England but I think it fair to say that it was probably not common outside Cornwall until probably the middle of the 19th Century. Another possible angle to identify Susanna might be the witnesses at the marriage. BUT - don't worry about George Hebbard as he seemed to witness just about everything around that time. Francis Pellew would be the one to check but even he may not be related. This is a part of the Glasson family that I am not really familiar with at the moment but IGI also has the following that could be useful:- Ann Vingoe d/o George and Ann Glasson bp. 13th December 1829 at Paul Mary d/o George and Ann Glasson bp. 25th December 1832 at Paul Henry Pearce s/o George and Ann Glasson bp. 4th September 1836 at Paul I can check further tomorrow but the the way my mind is wandering it is probably better that I have a break. But I have noticed something in my database. I have a John Vingoe Glasson who married Ann Hooper in Victoria, Australia in 1857. He may well be connected to part of the above. Well there goes part of my theory! I just had a quick check of the OPC site and found that a George Glasson married Ann Vingoe Pearce 20th June 1829 at Paul. In that case I refer back to the Devon marriage of George to Ann Husband. There is also the possibility that Susanna was illegitimate of course and baptised under her mother's maiden name. Best I shut up for a while before I confuse you as much as I seem to be confusing myself at the moment!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2009 16:06:50 GMT -5
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I think that in 1841 this George is listed as a physician so I do not think he is of much value here.
This couple ended up in New Zealand and were the ancestors of the Glasson chain of shops.
I think that the following are options: Susan was illegitimate and was the daughter of George and Ann of Paul and was born prior to his marriage in 1829 (I do not like this one as George was a fisherman and not a labourer), or George and Eliza at Breage are the family that we need to find out more about (in fact this baptism was for John Glasson Treweeke so is a dead end), or There is a complete Glasson family in Madron of which there is almost no information on both the parents and children - maybe Wesleyan? or George is the wrong name.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 7, 2009 6:46:20 GMT -5
Lannanta - don't be too concerned about 'fisherman' and 'labourer' as quite often a fisherman was basically just a labourer and I have seen them recorded alternately in different records. The illegitimacy scenario is quite possible but may be difficult to track down. And of course we know from experience that George may be the wrong name for her father. Can you give me a few details about the 'mystery' Glasson family of Madron and I will see what resources I might have to find out something about them. CT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2009 19:12:32 GMT -5
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I think it has something to do with Gulval - and the family of Thomas and Elizabeth (and I do not believe that this Elizabeth was nee Clark), and their daughter Susanna, baptised there in 1804.
I just cannot put my finger on it at the moment.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 10, 2009 5:28:18 GMT -5
Okay - I see that Thomas and Betsey (Clark) had several children at Madron including daughter Betsy Clark Glasson in 1804.
If it helps any here are the marriage details from Phillimore:-
Thomas Glasson, of Madron, aged 22, & Betsey Clark, lic. 12 Aug 1797
So we know Thomas was from Madron and we also know that, by his age, he was born about 1775.
CT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2009 1:56:14 GMT -5
Sorry CT, but I might have made my last post a bit confusing. I do not think that the answer to the original query lies with Thomas Glasson and Elizabeth (Betsy) nee Clark. I think that there was a second Thomas and Elizabeth and they were at Gulval and I think they are the answer to the mystery.
I have been looking at my Glasson data and I am aware that it contains some significant gaps. Also when I started to follow the Glasson family at Gulval I came to a clear mistake in my database which made me realise that I need first to go back over my records and start afresh - which is what I started to do today.
So unless someone out there has the answer to Susan Glasson it will be some time before I discover it.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 11, 2009 5:14:57 GMT -5
Not confusing at all mate! I checked on the Clark marriage as a bit of background for myself and included the details here in case you did not have them. I have noted that the other Thomas and Elizabeth baptised three children at Gulval in 1799, 1802 and 1804 but I have so far been unable to find any trace of a marriage for them. CT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2009 16:36:58 GMT -5
Try this for a start
Thomas Glasson married Susanna Trounsen in Madron in 1717. Their children included a Joseph, a Thomas and 2 Susanna's.
Joseph married Katherine Bennetts in 1745 in Madron and their children included 2 Josephs, a Thomas and a Catherine (Note: it is this family that were the early movers to Sithney, Joseph senior died there but was buried at Madron - as all good Glassons are ;D).
The surviving Joseph married Mary Glasson at Gulval in 1777 and they had the following children at Gulval that I am aware of - Joseph (married Bathsheba Reed at Sithney), Mary, Catherine, Jennifer and Elizabeth).
So the missing link for me is the baptism of the Thomas who married Elizabeth and between 1799 and 1804 had children Susanna, Thomas and Jennifer while at Gulval - and it is not the same Thomas who married Betsy Clark in Perranzabuloe in 1797.
I think that this missing link will lead to the identity of the future Mrs Susan Dobb.
Lannata
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 17, 2009 18:31:17 GMT -5
It would seem logical that the 'mystery family' has its roots around Gulval/Madron so let's look further at the possibilities. You have quoted Thomas GLASSON/Susanna TROUNSEN and I think there are more options involved here than you have mentioned. Working from the sons of Thomas and Susanna:- John (1718) married Elizabeth Lanksbury in 1746 - three daughters and one son John Thomas (1719) married Ann Badcock at Paul in 1742 - I currently have no children from this marriage (I need to look at that) Joseh (1721) married Katherine Bennets - four children including THOMAS who married Phillis Argal in 1772 and had a son named THOMASWilliam (1723) married Honour Wallish - sons John and William plus three daughters Stephen (1725-1729) James (1727) married Jane Hosking - five children including THOMASStephen (1731) married Alice Perry - eight children of whom the first two daughters were baptised at Madron. Remaining children beginning with THOMAS were all baptised at St Hilary All those shown above as THOMAS I would consider possibilities. And at this point my favourite would be the last one - son of Stephen and baptised at St Hilary as he is the only one with a sister named Susanna. Maybe some twisted logic here and you probably know more about each of these than I currently do - but those are some thoughts anyway. CT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2009 21:00:01 GMT -5
CT Thanks for that as it certainly needs looking at from all angles. My early Glasson research was copy and paste mostly from Kathie and it is only in the last few years that I have concentrated more on researching my own facts. Anyway, as I have it: Three children including a Thomas. There is no known family for him and it is recorded that he spent his life at Breage. This Thomas married Betsy Clark and their son John Vingoe was a settler to Aust and NZ beginning the chain of shops. This Thomas married Alice Baschan. This Thomas died two years later - according to my records. So sticking with this family as being the only real contender, the only possibility (among this lot) is the first one. Possibly explains why Sarah married Mr Dobb in Breage Any which way you look at it - the marriage for Thomas and Elizabeth is yet to be found, and is the critical link methinks. Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 18, 2009 5:55:51 GMT -5
Not the first time one solitary missing piece of information has become the critical link! It think yet another concerted effort to try and find this marriage should probably be the first plan of attack. Failing that I consider the problem is going to have to be dealt with by a process of elimination. We are going to have to look at every possible Thomas and find out as much as possible about each so that they might be eliminated. At the end of the day we should hopefully have only 'one man standing'. Reminds me a little of a certain James Quick with a wife named Sarah!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2009 23:06:08 GMT -5
CT I remember saying that this George was not too much use in our discussion. I guess that I should have thought a little more before I came to that conclusion. The George who married Ann Husband was George Boase Glasson, baptised 4th May 1781 at Paul. There is also another Susan Glasson at Penzance (Chapel Street)and in the 1841 census she is aged 21, daughter of John and Elizabeth Glasson. I do have a brother John (bap 1782 - he is 59 in the 1841 census) for George Boase Glasson but I have him at the moment going to the West Indies. Maybe another historical incorrect assumption? Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 1, 2009 3:11:29 GMT -5
That's the sort of thing you get on the 'big jobs'! What sort of source is the West Indies information and what sort of detail is involved? I guess the follow-up question there must be - are there any other possibilities for this man? If it happened to be one of those 'helpful hints' from Ancestry then it would need careful attention. I have just been briefly looking at a problem for someone else and one of these 'hints' was involved. The 'suggestion' was that a certain Ancestor might have been the one who emigrated to NSW between 18?? and 19?? No BDM records for this person in NSW but I did find something. A person of that surname and first initials did arrive in Sydney in 1909 but it appears obvious he was not an emigrant. He was 6th engineer on a vessel that berthed in Sydney and odds are that he left on the same ship on its return voyage. The particular name appears to be not common, particularly with the two initials, and the age and place of origin were consistent with the person I was investigating. On checking the marriage certificate I found that when he married in 1913 in London this person was an 'Engineer'. He also had two children born in England - one in 1914 and the second in 1924. A really 'helpful hint' that one. Sure I have found out that it was probably him arriving here - but it is obvious that he must have gone straight back home. Problem for the person I am trying to help is that they are still in the dark as to what did really happen to said ancestor! Long-winded again - I know! CT
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