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Post by rowena on Sept 27, 2009 22:18:35 GMT -5
Dear Quick Researchers
I have a Judith Quick marrying Thomas Jarvis Shugg on 24 Feb 1781, in Redruth Parish. She died aged 81, and was buried 17 Feb 1837, in St Ives.
There doesn't appear to be a baptism for her.
I am wondering: 1. Whether anyone has been able to identfy or place Judith into any Quick families? 2. Are there are particular Quick family lines which have the name Judith in them? 3. Which Quick families were having children in St Ives c.1756?
Look forward to some interesting discussion.
Kind regards, Rowena in Melbourne
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 28, 2009 4:38:53 GMT -5
Rowena - prior to 1811 I have found only to Judith Quicks in Cornwall.
The earliest was baptised at Gwennap in 1675 daughter of Gabriel and Mary Quick with Gabriel having come from Zennor.
The only other Judith is the one who married Thomas Jervis Shugg.
I suspect the name Judith comes from the Phillips family although I have been unable to confirm a link between Gabriel Quick's wife, Mary Phillips, and Zennor.
Because the name was so rare I am inclined to think the later Judith should also be a descendant of Gabriel and Mary.
The marriage to Thomas Shugg occurred at Redruth which is perhaps a further pointer to this connection with Gwennap and Redruth having a large border between them.
The only other possibility I have considered is a John Quick who married the widowed Elizabeth Cock at St Ives in 1757.
If Judith's age when buried was accurate then she would, of course, have been born before this marriage - but that is relying on the information being correct.
I throw John into the mix because two of his sons ended up at Illogan.
Anthony for whom we have a baptism at St Ives and John for whom no baptism has been found.
But John is linked to this family by his Will.
Anthony was baptised in 1768 and a sister, Elizabeth, in 1767 whilst John's estimated birth is about 1758.
But even if Judith did belong to this family we can so far find no way to connect the elder John to the family of Gabriel Quick.
We are still working on this one.
CT
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Post by rowena on Sept 28, 2009 10:11:17 GMT -5
Thank you for spelling all that out CT. Some chunks to digest. I've sometimes had to clarify, by building family units within parishes down through a number of generations, and consolidating with wills etc. I was considering fiddling about with this, but it might have to wait for some dedicated holiday time.
It's certainly sounding like the name Judith has come from the female branch into the family - Somewhere...
Aaah well, good luck with your Quick researches. Cheers, Rowena
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Post by hproszen on May 23, 2017 1:20:16 GMT -5
Can I add something here? I don't know if anyone else is still interested in Judith Quick (wife of Thomas Jarvis Shugg) but I think I might have something for those who are.
I also looked at the Gwennap Quicks because of Gabriel's daughter Judith. Judith had sisters, Beaten and Jane, and brothers, James and Francis. If she were from this line I think she could only be a descendant of Gabriel's son James. Francis appears not to have had children.
As Gabriel's daughter Judeth wrote:
To all christian people whom these presents do or shall concern, I Judith John of the town of Marazion in the County of Cornwall, widow, do send greeting. Whereas Francis Quick, late of the parish of Gwennap in the said County, yeoman, my late brother deceased - died intestate. By means whereof the Right of Administration of all and singular the goods and chattels, rights and credits, which were of the said Francis Quick at the time of his death doth by law belong to James Quick, Beaten Quick, Jane Newton and me the said Judith John, the surviving brother and sisters of the said Francis Quick, deceased.
-- James had several sons but in Gwennap I only found families for Thomas and William. William didn't marry till 1765 so I think he is out as Judith's father. Thomas could have had a daughter, Judith, but I don't think he did.
Judith signs on her marriage and she has James Quick as a witness. The Quick brides in Gwennap all seemed to make their Mark rather than sign. I also think there wasn't an available living James Quick from Gwennap to be her witness.
Gwennap Baptisms for James Quick Burials
1680s James, son Gabriel Quick, named in Gabriel’s will 1716; most likely 11 Aug 1746 1714 James, son James 1755 James, son Thomas 1776 James, son William most likely 3 Oct 1776 1782 James, son William most likely 3 Aug 1787 There are 2 more James Quick Burials:- 14 Apr 1761 and 2 Dec 1775. These are likely to be James, son of James and James son of Thomas.
The other thing is that Thomas Jarvis Shugg was a stone mason. He is likely to have associated with other stone masons - and been apprenticed to one (perhaps even a Quick). He is likely to have met the female relatives of the Quicks in St Ives.
My current thought is that the name Judith comes as follows:
Judith and John Jacket from St Minver have a bunch of kids:
1709 Minver, St. Joan JACKETT John Judith bap 16 Feb 1709/10 1711 Minver, St. Katherine JACKET John Judith bap 4 Jan 1711/1712 1714 Minver, St. Rebeccka JACKETT John Judith bap 8 Mar 1714/15 1717 Minver, St. John JACKET John Judith 14 May 1717
John dies and leaves Judith a widow. It might be: Burial Falmouth John Jackett 3 Mar 1716/17
Judith Jackett remarries in Lelant to Matthew Harvey - 9 Feb 1724/5
Daughters: Joan Jackett marries John Nance in St Ives - 2 Oct 1735 Catherine Jackett marries William Quick in St Ives - 22 De 1741
Judith Quick is a daughter of William Quick and Catherine Jackett where the baptism is missing.
What do people think of this theory?
Helen Proszenyak
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 23, 2017 7:29:08 GMT -5
That is exactly where I think Judith belongs and in fact I stated this in another post only a couple of days ago. CT
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Post by hproszen on May 23, 2017 9:29:11 GMT -5
I guess I missed that. I have been avidly reading this site, along with the Cornwall OPC. But you have so much stuff, it's like crawling through a thicket (blackberries perhaps) following the Quick family.
You might have this elsewhere as well - but who do you think are the parents of Edward Quick, mason, the father of William Quick?
thanks
Helen
PS. There was another Edward Quick who died in 1713 on Bodmin who was said on the burial record to be a leper. Is he related?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 23, 2017 22:29:32 GMT -5
Hi Helen - I don't recall exactly which thread it was in but I do remember clarifying my thoughts on Judith. But which thread is not so important now.
Edward Quick (father of William Quick who married Catherine Jackett) was the son of William Quick and Elizabeth Stevens who married at Zennor in 1681. Baptisms for only the youngest three of nine children from this marriage can be found due to the sad state of the Zennor registers but Edward would have been born probably around 1689. Like his baptism his marriage details have also not been found but it would have occurred about 1711 possibly at Towednack of Zennor. Edward's wife was his cousin Phillipa Quick daughter of Richard Quick and Amy Nicholas (Nance).
I don't know the identity of the Edward Quick who died at Bodmin in 1713 but he may have been the man who married Mary Luke at Cornelly in 1695 at which time both were of Probus. There is at least one Quick family around the Probus area that I have not been able to link with the Zennor/St Ives family.
CT
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Post by hproszen on May 23, 2017 22:35:07 GMT -5
Ah! Thank You for that CT! I will do some updating of my family Tree when I get back from shopping!
cheers Helen
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Post by hproszen on May 24, 2017 5:21:59 GMT -5
Can I ask you something here! I remembered looking at some Bennett wills and that from those I had the impression that Edward must have been married to a daughter of Amy Bennett.
I've just had another look and I will put them here:-
AMY BENNATTS, of St. Ives, widow
written: __ Aug 1723 proved: 3 Jan 1731/2
eldest son: JAMES BENNATTS 5 sh. daughter: PHILIP w/o EDWARD QUICK 5 sh. daughter: AMY w/o CHARLES JENKEN 5 sh. daughter: FRANCES 30 L daughter: ELIZABETH w/o GEORGE BENNATTS 20 L yearly grandchildren: 12 d. each 2 youngest sons: RICHARD BENNATTS & JOHN BENNATTS all the rest & executors brother: RICHARD NICHOLAS & son: JAMES BENNATTS trustees during the minority of the executors
Amy ( ) Bennatts
witnesses: WM. POLKINGHORNE, RICHARD NICHOLAS, JOHN ( ) NICHOLAS
Vol. 6, p. 145 RICHARD BENNETTS, joiner, of St. Ives
written: 19 Jan 1731 proved: 4 May 1732
brother: JAMES BENNETTS 1 sh. brother: JOHN BENNETTS 1 sh. sister: ELIZABETH w/o GEORGE BENNETTS 1 sh. sister-in-law: AMY w/o CHARLES JENKING 1 sh. sister: FRANCIS w/o RICHARD MAJOR 10 L sister-in-law: PHILLIPP w/o EDWARD QUICK, of St. Ives, mason all the rest & executrix
witnesses: MICHAEL MICHAELS, JOHN NOALL
Vol. 9a, p. 216
Amy says she has a daughter called Phillip, married to Edward Quick. Richard Bennett refers to Phillip w/o Edward Quick, mason as his sister-in-law.
Could you clarify?
regards
Helen
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