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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 1, 2007 12:02:27 GMT -5
Hi Janalee - Let me see what I can add for you. I have downloaded a lot of information from RootsWeb WorldConnect which seems to be information submitted and gathered from a number of sources. The main problem with this information is that it is 'second-hand' and I do not have the resources available to check the primary records myself. We are therefore relying on the 'hope' that the information is accurate. It does appear, from my records, that Mary Elizabeth Trewolla was, indeed, Madie. According to RootsWeb files she was born in Mississippit 19th April 1857 to Henry Lafayette TREWOLLA and Nannie Elizabeth (nee RUSSELL). She married Thomas A LEE at Charleston, Tallahatchie Co., MS 17th December 1879. Maddie died 7th May 1945 and was buried at Rocky Branch Cemetery, Oakland MS. BTW - I currently have no children listed for her so I am guessing that you might be able to help here. Henry Lafayette Trewolla served as a Confederate Soldier during the Civil War, as did some of his cousins. I still have a lot of information to sort through but here is what more I currently know of the family of Henry Lafayette TREWOLLA. Another BTW - it appears JAMES H (Madie's brother) was actually JAMES ALFORD TREWOLLA. Henry Lafayette TREWOLLA bn. 18th September 1824 Greensville Co. VA s/o Henry TREWOLLA and Mary (nee BEALL) M. Nannie Elizabeth RUSSELL 11th July 1854 Children:- 1. Mary Elizabeth bn. MS 19th April 1857 2. James Alford bn. MS circa 1859 3. Maggie Pierce bn. Tallahatchie Co., MS 25th October 1861 (died MS 9th January 1909 and buried Maple Hill Cemetery, AK) (married John R RICHARDSON Tallahatchie Co., MS 275h January 1883) 4. Eliza Jane bn. MS 5th April 1864 5. Henry Alford bn. MS circa 1868 6. Nannie Russell bn. MS 16th February 1870 (buried Old Masonic Cemetery,,MS 28th August 1872) 7. Harriet Owen bn. MS circa 1872 8. John Spencer bn. W. Tallahatchie, MS 11th July 1875 (died Charleston, MS 3rd January 1958 and buried NE Ward Cemetery, Charleston) (married Wirrtie May SUTTON 15th March 1910 MS 9. Willie B (female) bn. MS circa 1878 As mentioned - I still have a lot of information to work through on this family but this should, I hope, give you something to work with. Please peruse it and get back to me with more data and/or queries and I will go from there.
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Post by janelee on Sept 1, 2007 15:48:23 GMT -5
Hi to Cornish Terrier and thanks for your post from today, which for some reason I cannot view on this thread. I had to go to your profile to find it. Strange!
Anyhow, thanks for confirming that Madie was indeed born Mary Elizabeth Trewolla. I was fairly certain that this was correct. Also I should have mentioned that I knew of my gr. grandfather, Thomas A Lee. We have links to the American Revolution and the DAR through this connection.
Interesting that there were 9 children in the family, my gr. grandmother being the eldest. What is also interesting is that the youngest child, Willie B Trewolla, was only eight years older than one of Madie's children, my aunt Nan. She was born on the 31st Dec. 1886 and christened Nan Russell Lee. Her sister, my grandmother, was born on the 10th January 1897 and christened Jane Elizabeth Lee. At least I think her middle name was Elizabeth, from what I can remember. The two sisters lived together in Charleston, Mississippi after my grandfather died. They also had a brother christened Andrew Lee who lived in Greenwood, Mississippi but I have found no records for him so far, so I cannot help you with a date of birth.
My grandmother had twin boys who died, followed by the birth of my mother, Jane Elizabeth Carlisle, who was born on the 27th April 1929. She had no other brothers or sisters.
Although I was born in Carey, Mississippi, I spent most of my childhood (up until the age of seventeen) in Charleston, Mississippi, Tallahatchie County.
BTW, from what you have said, and from what I can gather so far, I must have quite a few Trewolla relatives still in and around the Charleston area. I will try to find out what I can from the list of names you provided and let you know the results. Thanks again for all your efforts.
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Post by janelee on Sept 1, 2007 16:03:19 GMT -5
Hi to Cornish Terrier and thanks for your post from today, which for some reason I cannot view on this thread. I had to go to your profile to find it. Strange!
Anyhow, thanks for confirming that Madie was indeed born Mary Elizabeth Trewolla. I was fairly certain that this was correct. Also I should have mentioned that I knew of my gr. grandfather, Thomas A Lee. We have links to the American Revolution and the DAR through this connection.
Interesting that there were 9 children in Henry L. Trewolla's family, my gr. grandmother being the eldest. What is also interesting is that the youngest child, Willie B Trewolla, was only eight years older than one of Madie's children, my aunt Nan. She was born on the 31st Dec. 1886 and christened Nan Russell Lee. Her sister, my grandmother, was born on the 10th January 1897 and christened Jane Elizabeth Lee. At least I think her middle name was Elizabeth, from what I can remember. The two sisters lived together in Charleston, Mississippi after my grandfather died. They also had a brother christened Andrew Lee who lived in Greenwood, Mississippi but I have found no records for him so far, so I cannot help you with a date of birth.
My grandmother had twin boys who died, followed by the birth of my mother, Jane Elizabeth Carlisle, who was born on the 27th April 1929. She had no other brothers or sisters.
Although I was born in Carey, Mississippi, I spent most of my childhood (up until the age of seventeen) in Charleston, Mississippi, Tallahatchie County.
BTW, from what you have said, and from what I can gather so far, I must have quite a few Trewolla relatives still in and around the Charleston area. I will try to find out what I can from the list of names you provided and let you know the results. Thanks again for all your efforts.
;D Guess what? I just did the same thing that you must have done. I posted a quick reply and then realized that it doesn't show up in the thread. Why is that and what is the purpose of the quick reply? I'm just a newbie so don't fully understand how the system works.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 2, 2007 9:16:37 GMT -5
Hi Jane - Best leave Zenobia to answer the question about the 'Quick Reply'. I think I tried it once and had a problem so now simply use the 'Reply' button which has worked fine. Will be trying to look through your note very shortly after I have checked the rest of the Board.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 2, 2007 13:50:44 GMT -5
Have got myself stuck on another query so am not able to offer any more tonight. I will be trying to work on it tomorrow and will attempt to get into some of the other information I was trying to work on a few months ago.
If you check the thread you will find there is a family of TREWOLLA listed in one of the US Census Records as 'black'. It now appears (thanks to Zenobia's findings) that this family worked as slaves for one of the TREWOLLA families and later took on that name.
Much more to do on this family.
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Post by janelee on Sept 4, 2007 6:05:22 GMT -5
I found some additional information on Madie's children that I had forgotten about. This came from the Tallahatchie 1900 census. List of children for Thomas A. Lee and Madie (nee) Trewalla Date of Birth Name Age Gender March 1884 Henry F. 16 M Dec 1885 Nannie R. 14 F Jan 1888 Spencer B. 12 M Jan 1890 Jane B. 10 F March 1894 Thomas A. Jr. 6 M At the time of this census, Madie's brother (John Spencer Trewalla- then 24) was staying with them. The picture is now a lot clearer and it should be noted that the date of birth (1897) I gave you earlier, for my grandmother (Jane), was incorrect. I found this date on a cemetery record in Tallahatchie County but I was quite surprised by it. I had always thought that my grandmother was older than that when she died. Also my mother once told me that my grandmother was a few years older than my grandfather. The other point to be made is that my grandmother's middle name was not Elizabeth, as I had thought. I am now guessing that the middle initial B. stands for Beall, her grandmother's maiden name. What do you think? Thomas A. (Andrew) Jr. is, without a doubt, my Uncle Andrew. He and his wife had one son, also called Andrew. I am embarrassed to say that I forgot what relation my Uncle Spencer (Spencer B) and Uncle Henry (Henry F.) had within the family. But then again, I moved outside the family circle when I was 17. That's my excuse, anyway, and I'm sticking to it. Uncle Spencer died in December 1975 but I don't know where he was buried. He lived in Batesville, Mississippi (Panola County) for a number of years. I have not been able to find out yet when Uncle Henry died. The family of Trewolla listed as 'black' is an interesting one. No doubt some of them who worked as slaves took on the family names. The one that I particularly find interesting is the 8 yr old black boy who lived with Madie and her family. Can someone tell me where this information was found? My aunt and grandmother never mentioned this as far as I can remember. But that doesn't mean anything. They never talked much about their childhood years, although they probably would have liked to, if anyone had been willing to listen. ;D
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 4, 2007 13:38:59 GMT -5
Jane - we seem to be 'up and running'. Let me try and add a couple of things here before I have a quick snack and get to bed. (Better look after my new boss tomorrow!) Not necessarily in order but:- The 'black' family is one I found in one of the US Census records and it had me confused. However Zenobia came up with an answer for it which is quite probable and I believe you will find it if you search through this thread. I was going to suggest a search of the SSDI for some of your other queries but have just had a quick look and cannot find them. I should have thought I would have found Spencer in 1975. Now for the 1900 Census information for your family. I note that the eldest child was aged 16 and, therefore, born about 1884. My information suggests that Thomas A Lee and Mary Elizabeth Trewolla were married at Charleston December 17th 1879. Now, were there other children between 1879 and 1884. I really have to go now so think about this. I will attempt to look through the other information I have in the next few days but I cannot promise anything quickly just now. Will do my best.
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Post by janelee on Sept 5, 2007 6:34:17 GMT -5
Now, were there other children between 1879 and 1884. That is an interesting question but a difficult one to answer. There is a jump of 20 years between the census periods for Tallahatchie county. At least, that's all I have been able to find. There is an 1880 census but that would be of little help. I suppose it is possible that any children above the age of 16 might not have been living at home. That could explain why there were no other children listed during the 1900 census. Also, given the short gaps (2 yrs in most cases) between the ages of the children, it does seem likely that there may have been others born during this 5 yr period. I am not sure where to look next, but I will keep trying.
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Post by janelee on Sept 5, 2007 6:51:29 GMT -5
BTW, I forgot to add.
The reason you probably couldn't find Spencer in SSDI is because his birth date is listed as 12th Jan 1887. The 1900 census info says Jan 1888.
I am reasonably certain this is the same Spencer Lee. SSDI shows him living in Batesville Mississippi.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 5, 2007 12:51:34 GMT -5
Jane - re Spencer Lee - I am just now wondering if my brain may be almost defunct. The thought just occurred to me that I 'may' have tried to search for him under the name of Trewolla. The birth date should have no influence as the SSDI (I believe) starts with the demise of the person involved and information regarding age etc. is entered afterwards. Looks like I 'might have' (cringe) made a mistake. But that is partly what this forum is all about - make a mistake and have it corrected. (And maybe have a bit of fun along the way.) I had better check the rest of the Board now and organise some sleep as I have to 'work again on my two days off'. Oh - then I start my normal shift the following night. I think I have had a day off sometime in the last two or three weeks.
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Post by janelee on Sept 5, 2007 15:44:57 GMT -5
I wish I could say I only made 'occasional' mistakes. And you're right, it's all part of the fun. I liken it to working on a jigsaw; some of the pieces fit, and some don't. And if it's too easy, then it's just plain boring. Hope you don't think about all this stuff at work.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 6, 2007 11:10:40 GMT -5
Occasionally something will pop into my head about this stuff and I will think about it work. But I have just taken another look at SSDI and have found your Spencer LEE in 1975. (Appears obvious I looked under TREWOLLA last time ) I have now entered the information you have sent me but there is one little gap. You have neglected to tell me who your mother married. I would like this information so that I can enter you into my database correctly with any further information you can supply. Please send it via a PM if you would rather keep it more private. I will try and work on a few other things now before heading off to bed and a well earned rest.
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