Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 16, 2011 8:05:33 GMT -5
Rowena - it has been a bit of a long haul but I am getting there.
With two families of David and Mary Martins to sort out there have been challenges but I at least have that part sorted.
There are other connections involved as well with one of the Nicholls families being prominent at the moment. This one is especially interesting to me given the later Trewhella connections in South Dakota.
I think the next marriage on my agenda is that of Thomas Grenfell and, if it is possible, I will get some answers to you tonight.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 17, 2011 7:16:24 GMT -5
Mary Ann Martins and Thomas Grenfell had a daughter Emily born 1851. I've not found a baptism for her. Would you be able to check this. (There were 2 Emily Grenfell births registered for Penzance in 1851)
Rowena - I just looked at FreeBMD and for 1850 and 1851 I can find only ONE Emily Grenfell birth.
She was registered in the March Qtr which fits quite neatly with the daughter of Thomas and Mary Ann who was age 1 month at the time of the 1851 Census which was taken on March 30th.
Now for the brief picture of where Emily and her mother fit in.
Mary Ann Martins was baptised 18th January 1829 at Towednack daughter of David and Mary. (I now know that this was Mary Carbis.)
David Martins married Mary CARBIS 12th March 1814 at Towednack and had seven children of whom Mary Ann was the youngest.
David Martins was baptised 26th December 1791 at Ludgvan (born 11th December 1791) son of David and Elizabeth (nee NINNES) who were married 5th December 1789 at Towednack.
I am not sure about Mary Carbis as yet. According to Census records she was born about 1788 at Towednack yet the closest baptism I can find at Towednack in 1786 daughter of Christopher and Ann.
I still have bits and pieces to complete with these families but if there are specific things you want to know then just ask.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 17, 2011 12:52:34 GMT -5
Perhaps someone else has already sorted this but because I just worked it out for myself I am going to lay claim to having 'delicately damaged' another Martins Brick Wall!
For years I could not work out why Arthur Martins was enumerated with Charity Martins at Ludgvan in the 1841 Census.
After all - he was the son of John and Catherine Martins of Towednack and his baptism can be found in the CFHS Index as occurring 3rd July 1818 at Towednack.
In later times (1851 Census) he says he was born at Ludgvan but it is not unusual to see a Ludgvan birth followed by a Towednack baptism and vice versa.
But Arthur had company that day in July as, presumably his cousin, William son of James and Charity Martins was also baptised on the 3rd at Towednack.
All clearly recorded in the CFHS index:-
Arthur son of John (carpenter) and Catherine Martins baptised 3rd July 1818 William son of James (miner) and Charity Martins baptised 3rd July 1818
Can't go wrong.
Or can you!
When Arthur was married at Ludgvan 5th February 1842 he stated that his father was JAMES MARTIN, miner
Well ..... we have had quite a bit of experience with this sort of thing now and it is obvious that Arthur (or someone) got it wrong.
A bit like George Quick who said he was son of George when in fact it turned out that he was really the son of William!
But WHY was Arthur with Charity in 1841?
Now ................... it was when I noticed that Arthur and William were baptised on the same day that a little tapping began on the inside of my scone and as I don't have any aspirin in the house I had to seek out another method to subdue the headache that was rapidly forming!
I checked the baptisms again and, sure enough, all was as I had seen before.
So the next logical step was to see if perhaps William might still be alive and if he also got hitched.
The OPC list of marriages for William Martins produced an interesting looking one at Towednack which would have been around the right time so a bo-peep at the complete record was obviously in order!
Wm MARTINS of full age, blacksmith of Towednack, son of JOHN MARTINS, joiner married Eliza BENNETS of full age, spinster of Towednack, 31st May 1840 at Towednack
A quick check of the 1851 Census showed William Martins (now a tin dresser) living at Amalveor with wife Eliza and several children.
He was age 32 and born at Towednack.
Hmmm ..... same age as Arthur in the same Census!
And one of his daughters was named Catherine P Martins. I would be guessing that her full name was Catherine PENBERTHY Martins with Catherine Penberthy being the wife of John Martins.
It would appear that the game of SWAP THE BABY was alive and well in 1818!
But who do we blame for this mess?
Having not seen the entry myself in the original register I am loathe to blame the CFHS transcriber.
And the only alternative is that the details of the two baptisms were incorrectly entered way back in 1818.
Whichever way it happened I have no solved the mystery that has been annoying me for a great many years. ;D
Arthur was the son of James and Charity William was the son of John and Catherine
And now, once I have tidied up this little mess in the database, I might have another crack at identifying Arthur's father James!
Post by davidkingmartin on Jan 18, 2011 7:55:58 GMT -5
James Martin(s) 1774-1831,father of Arthur,is also the father of Joseph Martin 1815-1867, my gggfather. The Towednack records (on-line) do not give us a complete record for the second decade of the 1800s. Joseph died Ludgvan. David.
Post by davidkingmartin on Jan 18, 2011 13:05:02 GMT -5
CT: No. I have no Will for James. 1841 Census: Joseph Martin (1815) is with Charity aged 65 and others in the household incl.Arthur aged 18 (1818)...but no relationships given in 1841 Census. I believe Charity`s husband died 1831. The Grace in my database is Grace UREN 1739,mother of James Martin(s) 30 Jan.1774 Towednack. I am open to "correction"!