Post by Cornish Terrier on May 2, 2007 12:33:40 GMT -5
Have recently found information about a Francis Trewheela (Trewhella) who, in 1763, was sentenced to 7 years 'holiday' in America for his petty crime of Petty Larceny. It seems that his co-hort was one Henry CARE who was sentenced to the same punishment.
This is an interesting chapter in the Trewhella (sic.) family and I would like to find out more.
Francis Trewheela was of Ludgvan at the time of his 'misdemeanor' but his apparent cohort, Henry CARE, was of Towednack.
Interesting fact is that the property they 'meandered off with' belonged to one HANABAL CURNOW. ;D
Post by Cornish Terrier on May 5, 2007 13:25:41 GMT -5
Courtesty of Nancy Tonkin in Truro, Cornwall who did the look up for me from the Quarter Sessions (QS) Records at the County Record Office.
BTW - where you see an entry such as "L300" - it actually means 300 Pounds of then UK Currency.
QS1/3/128 Francis TREWHEELA of Ludgvan, blacksmith, indicted for stealing goods from Hanabal CURNOW and others value of 10d.: conveicted of Petty Larceny and sentenced to transportation to America for 7 years. Henry CARE of Towednack, tinner, indicted for stealing goods of Hanabal CURNOW and others valued 6d.: convicted of Petty Larceny: sentenced to transportation to America for 7 years. Jacob MARTIN, alias LAMBREY of Towednack, tinner, indicted for stealing goods of Hanabal CURNOW and others, value 2d.: convicted of Petty Larceny and sentenced to public whipping. [this sentence suggests that Jacob was a juvenile].
QS1/3/147 Sessions Vice-treasurer ordered to pay the fees, [i.e. re-emburse], the Clerk of the Peace for drawing up the contracts required for transporting Francis TREWHEELA and Henry CARE. [This would certainly have meant their journey to the port of departure. I do not know whether Co0rnwall would have been responsible for costs beyond that.] (This order made at Lostwithiel Sessions 10/1/1764.)
Thank you to Nancy Tonkin for the above.
Francis TREWHEELA is still a bit of an enigma as their is still 'the possibility' of there having been two, father and son.
It is known that a Francis TREWHEELA (surname varies) married Bridget ANTHONEY at Ludgvan in 1733. It is also known that he was son of John TREWHELLA and Katherine (nee HINGSTON) and that he was probably born sometime between 1701 and 1715.
There were three children baptised at Ludgvan in 1739, 1742 and 1745 and a burial has been found for another daughter in 1747 (no baptism found for this girl). There is no suggestion the three 'baptised' children were late baptisms so we must wonder if there were other children born and baptised between 1733 and 1739.
The next known fact is that Francis' wife, Bridget, was buried at Ludgvan in 1752.
But then, in 1759, Francis TREWHEELA has a son John baptised at Ludgvan followed by Malachy in 1761 and then William in 1763.
No Burial has ever been found for any Francis TREWHEELA (var.) that could account for these early dates and there is also no record yet found for a second marriage for Francis.
So - was there a son named Francis? - and, if so, why no record.
It is interesting to note that the last baptised child of 'a' Francis TREWHEELA was at Ludgvan on October 23rd, 1763, which was the year Francis was sentenced to transportation to America.
I know a little about the last three children mentioned above and I have a suspicion that the 'second wife' may be one of the stray Trewhella female marriages I have floating about in my records.
ODDLY Enough - Henry CARE, who managed to get the similar sentence in the same year seems to have no further record of children after July, 1763.
This being the case it appears he is 'probably' the man who married Ann CURNOW at Towednack August 31st 1747.
That is about it for now on this little note. ;D
(So 'Take CARE Francis TREWHEELA' - you might as well travel together if you did the crime together?)
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 4, 2009 12:12:09 GMT -5
One Francis TREWHEELA or two is still an unanswered question.
The known Francis was born probably sometime between 1701 and 1710. He was married at Ludgvan in 1733 and his wife was baptised in 1706.
Francis married Bridget ANTHONEY at Ludgvan 23rd June 1733
There are three children for whom I have found baptisms - John bp. 15th January 1739 Ldgvan Bridget bp. 8th January 1742 Ludgvan Catherine bp. 25th January 1745 Ludgvan
Bridget (wife of Francis) was buried at Ludgvan 3rd January 1752
Ludgvan PR shows a burial 14th July 1747 at Ludgvan for Elizabeth daughter of Francis TREWHEELA
The Bishop's Transcript for that same date shows the event as the burial of Francis TREWHEELA
POINT - there is a gap of six years between the marriage and the baptism of the first child. POINT - no baptism has been found for daughter Elizabeth. POINT - it is possible there were more children.
A little over ten years after the baptism of daughter Catherine we find baptisms for three children of Francis TREWHEELA.
John bp. 29th June 1759 Ludgvan Malachi bp. 14th September 1761 Ludgvan William bp. 23rd October 1763 Ludgvan
POINT - is this the same Francis or did he have a son of that name? POINT - the naming of a son MALACHI suggests the possibility that this is the same Francis given he had a brother of that name. POINT - in either scenario there has been no other marriage found for a Francis TREWHEELA.
And then in 1763 Francis TREWHEELA is sentenced to 7 years transportation to America.
On 10th January 1764 at the Lostwithiel Quarter Sessions an order is made for fees to cover the cost of transporting Francis TREWHEELA and his co-accused Henry CARE.
POINT - it would appear from this that at or very soon after this time the transportation took place.
AND NOW I have this to offer.
Will of James TREWHEELA of Ludgvan
"Item I give unto my Brother ffrances Trewheela The Some of one Shilling to be payd to him within Twelve Months after my Decease"
This Will was WRITTEN 26th March 1764 almost three months after fees were ordered to be paid to cover the cost of Francis TREWHEELA's transportation.
POINT - James TREWHEELA was baptised at Towednack 29th December 1695.
Anyone with any ideas that might help unravel this mystery.
It seems rather coincidental that the last recorded baptism for a child of Francis TREWHEELA was just months before 'a' Francis was transported to America.
And it might seem a little unusual for a man of around 60 years of age to be Transported for 7 years for the crime of petty larceny.
But if this was the same man born around 60 years earlier then it would seem to me to be a little extraordinary that he would be left money in the Will of his elderly brother. (The amount left to Francis, one shilling, was the same amount left by James to his other two living siblings.)
Surely there is enough here to suggest the existence of another Francis TREWHEELA.
BUT - then why is there no baptism for the younger and no burial found for the elder of the two.
Any and all help, thoughts, ideas etc. will be most welcome.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 13, 2009 7:57:59 GMT -5
I need to resurrect this thread yet again given I am in the process of trying to gather more information surrounding the events and family.
I will start be asking you all for some opinions.
12th April 1763 - Francis Trewheela is sentenced to be transported to America for 7 years.
10th January 1764 - order issued for payment of fees relating to the transportation of Francis Trewheela.
26th March 1864 - James Trewheela writes his Will and leaves one shilling to his brother Francis Trewheela. This is the same amount James left to his two married sisters, his step-children and his own children.
James Trewheela was baptised in 1695 and would therefore have been about 68 when he wrote his Will.
Francis (his brother) would have been at least in his late 50's and very possibly early 60's at this time.
So - would a man in his late sixties be likely to leave money or property to a brother of near age who had recently been transported to a foreign land for seven years!
Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 27, 2012 20:31:52 GMT -5
Well, well, well! - it seems possible that I might be able to find an answer for at least one of the questions involving Francis Trewheela!
I have just discovered that there is a record available on FindMyPast of a marriage at Buckland Monachorum in 1756 for a Francis Trewhella. That would be about 3 years prior to the baptism of the first of the second group of children baptised at Ludgvan to Francis Trewheela/Trewhella so there can be little doubt (or none! :-)) that this is the marriage I have been seeking.
But will it solve the main part of the problem or will it still leave a small question mark?
If the record states that Francis was a widower then the problem will be all but solved. But if the word 'widower' does not appear then there must still be some small question about whether there was a second Francis involved. Time will tell!
There is also potential for this marriage record to help solve another problem - that of the 'unknown' Trewheela/Trewhella girls married at Madron. If the name of that spouse was Elizabeth then she would almost certainly be one of the following:-
John TONKIN m. Elizabeth TREWHEELA 20th September 1768 Madron Robert DUNBAR m. Elizabeth TREWEELA 17th July 1787 Madron
The second marriage was witnessed by Malachi Treweela who was a son of Francis.
Time and a copy of that record will hopefully tell a tale!
Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 28, 2012 8:24:30 GMT -5
The answer is here!
Francis Trewhella married Elizabeth Crymes 17th August 1756 at Buckland Monachorum, Devon
Seems a little odd that Francis marries someone named Crymes and then 8 years later is convicted of petty larceny and packed off to America for 7 years! ;D
So now I have a mother for that second group of children baptised to Francis Trewheela at Ludgvan! And I also have the possible solution for the identities of the two Elizabeth Trewhellas married at Madron in 1768 and 1787.
I would now suspect that the Elizabeth who married John Tonkin at Madron in 1768 was probably the above Elizabeth Crymes. I am less certain about Elizabeth Treweela who married Robert Dunbar in 1787 but with Malichi Treweela as witness I would think she was probably a daughter of Francis and Elizabeth possibly born in Devon.
But - one step at a time! Getting this information updated must be the priority now and then step back to take a fresh look at the picture.
And a BIG THANKYOU to Londoner for checking the details of this entry for me.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 28, 2012 10:06:37 GMT -5
It is debatable whether the original PR entry for the marriage of Francis Trewhella and Elizabeth Crymes would provide any more information that would help to finally determine if there was a second Francis Trewhella/Trewheela. Certainly there would be witnesses but I suspect they would have been from the Buckland Monachorum area where the marriage took place. It would certainly help if Francis was recorded as a 'widower' but even if he was widowed it would not necessarily have been recorded.
To view the problem from another angle I have searched for a possible baptism for Elizabeth Crymes anywhere in England between the years 1715 and 1740. A birth in 1715 would have her at age 48 when her last child was baptised and 1740 would have her at age 16 when married.
There is but ONE entry that I can find:-
Elizabeth daughter of Francis and Honour Crymes baptised 11th December 1723 at Buckland Monachorum, Devon
As the marriage took place in that same Parish it must be reasonable to conclude that this may have been the bride of Francis Trewhella. And if that is indeed her then I think it offers support for the conclusion that there was but one Francis Trewhella.
A birth/baptism in 1723 also lends support to this being the Elizabeth Trewheela who married John Tonkin at Madron in 1768. Both were of Madron at the time of marriage and I can find no evidence of any children which suggests that Elizabeth at least may have been an older woman.
In the long absence of any other candidate I am now prepared, with notes, to include that particular marriage in my database.
Following from that, and with Malichi Treweela as witness, I have also included the Elizabeth who married Robert Dunbar in 1787 as a daughter to Francis and Elizabeth.
I have a Williams family challenge related to this. Francis and Bridget had a daughter, Bridget, born in 1742 who married a Zacharias Williams (spell it any way you want to) in 1770 at Ludgvan. So far, I have only found one daughter, Bridget, born in 1776 at Ludgvan. I think my Amelia Williams descends from Nathaniel Williams 1717, spouse unknown. Said Nathaniel's son, Nathaniel 1746, seems to have witnessed 2 marriages: one of Zacharias Williams to Bridget Trewhella in 1770 and another in 1783 between Zacharias Williams and Elizabeth Semmens who had Trewhella connections herself. My thought is that these are both wives of the same man.
Question no. 2 is who was Zacharias? I see two possibilities: son of Zacharias and Christian Pulgrene (wife 1 or 2?) or son of 1717 Nathaniel's brother Thomas and Joan Pearce.
I find myself stymied by this!
Last Edit: Jan 25, 2015 13:33:38 GMT -5 by zibetha
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 25, 2015 22:54:20 GMT -5
Hi Zib - a most interesting scenario!
A couple of years back I tried to sort out the Zac Williams dilemma at Ludgvan but ended up with more questions and confusion than I had bargained for but you have now given me something more to think about. I will tackle this and try to come up with an answer this afternoon and tonight .......... unless the rain stops in Sydney and we get some Cricket!!!
Here is a little more about Zacharias and Bridget for you including a list of all known children. The mother's name was not recorded in Ludgvan records for many years but my earlier efforts with the Zachariah Williams families helped determine the probable children of Bridget. On viewing this information after reading your post there is perhaps a new perspective for me to consider!
1. Mary base daughter of Bridget Trewheela was baptized at Ludgvan 4th February 1770
Ludgvan Baastardy Bonds 1760-1820 Date - 18th August 1769 Parties Bound and Residence - George Major, St Earth and Nathan'l Williams, Ludgvan What Sum - 30 Pounds On What Account - Bridget Trewheela child or children
No birthdate is recorded for Bridget's daughter but the date of the Bastardy Bond and the term 'Bridget Trewheela child or children' suggests that the child was born after 18th August 1769. I don't know what George Major's involvement might have been either but the fact that Bridget married Zachariah Williams in August 1770 might suggest that he was the father and therefore Nathaniel Williams may have been his father.
2. Zechariah son of ZechariahWilliams baptized 26th April 1772 Ludgvan 3. Bridget daughter of Zacharias and Bridget Williams baptized 12th May 1776 Ludgvan 4. Catharine daughter of Zacharias and Bridget Williams baptized 30th January 1779 Ludgvan 5. Elizabeth daughter of Zacharias Williams and Bridget his wife, deceased, baptized 18th December 1781 Ludgvan
Bridget Williams was buried 18th December 1781 at Ludgvan (same day daughter Elizabeth was baptized)
The possibility that Zachariah then married Elizabeth Semmens is interesting and certainly that the marriage occurred less than two years after Bridget's death but it is the children from that marriage that might tell the tale. The last child of Zacharias and Bridget was daughter Elizabeth but then Zacharias and Elizabeth also had a daughter of that name baptized in 1788. Ludgvan burials for that period also gave little information other than the name of the person buried so identification of any Elizabeth Williams buried between 1781 and 1788 might be difficult.
Also interesting is that with both marriages the 'mark' of Zacharias Williams is different. In the marriage to Bridget the mark was a pronounced upright stroke whilst in the marriage to Elizabeth Semmens the mark was a clear 'Z W'. Also noteable is that the witness, Nathaniel Williams, could write his name but the formation of the 'W' in his surname was decidedly different in the two signiatures. I should point out however that the signing of the forename is quite similar on both occasions - the 'N' is almost identicial and he neglected to cross the 't' each time. I am thinking that it is the same Nathaniel each time which then indicates the possibility that the same Zacharias was involved in both marriages. Yet to be proved of course given another habit of the Vicar at Ludgvan was not recording if a person was widowed!
Seems like the rain has stopped in Sydney so I will continue with this problem after the Cricket.
Right or wrong (won't be the first time either way!) I believe Elizabeth to have been the daughter of Thomas Semmens/Symons and Jane Noble. Thomas the son of John Symons and Dorothy Trewhella, daughter of Thomas Trewhella and Philippa Hosking. Thomas, son of Thomas Trewhella and Catherine Boswin.
Thanks for the additional details you have provided. Seeing the name Catherine helps piece this together.
Last Edit: Jan 26, 2015 12:33:54 GMT -5 by zibetha