Trembath/Trezise

[londoner]

following on from the recent thread I have a query about another family: in 1851 Robert & Ann Wallis are at the home Of Alex and Elizabeth Trembath and their son James.
James was baptised at Sancreed 19 Oct 1828.

The only marriage of an Alexander to an Elizabeth that I can find in the right timeframe and location is:
Alexander Rowe to Elizabeth Tresize 22 Jul 1822, witnesses : John Grenfell and James Trezise, With Consent Of Parents

So my questions:
1) is this the right marriage?

2) Why did he change his name to Trembath?

3) What is the connection to Robert and Ann (nee Trudgen of Sancreed)?
Robert may have been their landlord but he is listed as "visitor" on the census (He was the son of Robert & Mary of Sennen, of whom I have written before)

4)I think Elizabeth was the daughter of James Tresize and Mary Trudgen so could Mary have been Ann's sister? this is where I get stuck.

[Cornish Terrier]

I will try and have a more serious look at this problem tomorrow.

However the problem iwth Alexander and Elizabeth Trembath had me intrigued enough to have a quick look tonight.

Interestingly (good ol' ) IGI has no record whatsoever for anyone of the name Alexander TREMBATH.

So then thinking about the 'possible' marriage of Alexander ROWE and Elizabeth TRESIZE I tried another angle.

IGI records three baptisms for Alexander ROWE between 1790 and 1800.

In 1851 Alexander 'Trembath' was age 56 so we are looking for a birth about 1794 or 1795.

The three IGI baptisms are:-

9th June 1794 Sancreed s/o Jno ROWE and Mary
24th February 1795 Morvah s/o James ROWE
23rd September 1795 Madron s/o JANE ROWE

If we are dealing with a 'change of name' then it would appear obvious it is the third baptism - son of JANE ROWE - that we need to look at.

I would need to check through a few PRs to see if there is a marriage for a Jane ROWE to someone named TREMBATH but this is certainly a possibility.

But if this were the case then why would Alexander marry as ROWE and then change to TREMBATH?

CT

[londoner]

I should have added that in 1851 and 1871 Census Alexander gave his place of birth as Gulval, but in 1861 it's just a ditto Sancreed - enumerator assumption?

[tonymitch]

If it's any use...Sancreed

30 Apr 1853 by Banns
James Trezise Trembath full age Sawyer of Newbridge [Mark] (Father: Alexander Trembath, Miner)
Elizabeth Warren full age of Madron [Mark] (Father: Thomas Warren, Farmer)
Witnesses: Thomas Warren sen. Thomas Warren.

Note James's middle name......seems likely that Alex Rowe/Trembath are the same person as James takes on his mother's maiden name.

Tony M

[londoner]

Thanks Tony - missed that one.
Also baptised at Sancreed:
20 Apr 1823 Elizabeth Rowe parents Alexander & Elizabeth Rowe
21 Oct 1832 James Trembath Rowe, parents ditto
19 Oct 1828 James Trembath parents Alexander & Elizabeth Trembath
29 May 1836 John Trembath, parents ditto

But I cant find a baptism for William who is 8 in 1841 but 49 in 1871 (not with the family in between).
in 1874 he married Mary Ann Daniel (age 23 father Thomas) and I cant find her either

[Cornish Terrier]

I have not yet found a baptism for Mary Ann Daniel but it looks like the following could be her:-

1851 Census

Treggaminion, Morvah

Thomas DANIEL, head, mar., 35, tin and copper miner, Morvah
Elizabeth do., wife, mar., 30, Madron
Elizabeth J do., daur, 8, Madron
Thomas do., son, 7, St Just
MARY A do., daur, 3, St Just
Betsey do., daur, 1, St Just

But 1861 provides a problem.

'A' Mary Ann Daniel age 8 (born St Just) is with her uncle and aunt Thomas and Eliza WHITE.

Thomas White married Eliza Daniel 20th May 1850 at St Just.

Eliza was d/o Thomas Daniel and birthplace in 1861 recorded as St Just.

But then there is a Mary Ann Daniel age 13 and born Sancreed who is a servant at Madron.

This last one might be the one from the 1851 Census.

In 1871 Mary A Daniel age 22 and born St Just is a servant at Penzance.

Again this is probably the same Mary as in 1851.

But then there is Mary Ann Daniel, age 19, born St Just who is a servant to her cousin Thomas Ellis at Boscaswell, St Just.

This is probably your girl.

Thomas Ellis age 23 of Boscaswell (son of Thomas) married Grace Williams age 19 of Trewellard (d/o John) 16th November 1861 at Pendeen

This then makes Mary Ann a daughter of the following marriage:-

Thomas Daniel age 24 of St Just (son of Thomas) married Mary Ann Ellis age 20 of St Just (d/o Thomas) 26th July 1845 at St Just

This might be a bit confusing but I hope it helps solve part of the problem for you.

I will look at it again tomorrow and get my database updated.

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

William who is 8 in 1841 but 49 in 1871

I have just had a look at the original image of the 1871 Census and I believe William's age is actually 40.

There is an enumerater's mark confusing the issue but making a comparison to an entry for Thomas Bennetts age 9 near the top of the page shows that the second figure in William's age is not a 9.

I will take a bit more of a look at this and see what I can find.

[Cornish Terrier]

I am beginning to think that Alexander ROWE and Alexander TREMBATH are two completely different people.

James s/o Alexander and Elizabeth TREMBATH was baptised in 1828 when the family was living at Bosvining.

I have not yet found him in the 1841 Census but he was at home with his parents in 1851 age 22.

James Trembath ROWE s/o Alexander and Elizabeth was baptised in 1832 and this family was living at Bojuthno.

In 1841 Alexander TREMBATH was still (again?) living at Bosvinning.

Will try and investigate further.

[Cornish Terrier]

ON the other had I cannot find Alexander Rowe in any Census. (At least the only one I can find who might be close was born at Paul and married Johanna or Jane and ended up at Redruth for a time.)

I can also find no further record of James Trembath Rowe.

BUT - James Trembath Rowe was baptised in 1832 at Sancreed.

William Trembath should have been born about 1832 at Sancreed.

Are these two (somehow) one and the same person in which case Alexander Rowe and Alexander Trembath might be the same person?

In my previous I mentioned that James Trembath Rowe was born at Bojuthno.

I now see that when John Trembath was born the family was also living at Bojuthno.

So it does appear more and more likely that Alexander Rowe/Trembath is the one person.

But where was son James in 1841 and son William in 1851?

[londoner]

HO107; Piece: 1919; Folio: 43; Page: 8
Possible for William in '51 ?
and maybe a clue to the Rowe connection.

[Cornish Terrier]

Could be considered a possibility - however:-

29 Nov 1845 by Banns
John Rowe 36 Farmer of Bosvening [Mark] (Father: John Rowe, Farmer)
Mary Grose 24 of New Bridge (Father: Richard Grose, Smith)
Witnesses: Richard Grose, Emily Leggo, Grace Grose

John Rowe bp. 1st May 1808 Morvah
Father - John ROWE mother Ann WILLIAMS

There is really nothing in that lot to suggest a link - even a tenuous one.

Appears William was merely a servant and no more.

CT