In trepidation (!), are there any entries for Thomas Curnow in the 19th century records?
And for these Carnartons that I am trying to put together? I get the impression things went wrong for them 2nd half of 18th century into 19th.... Spelling seems to be many ways, from the early Carnathen through, Canarton, Canarten, Carnaton, Carnathon, Carmarten, Caenarton, Caernarton, Counacken, Knoriton. One of the 2 Charles Canarthens I found in I think 1817 Cornwall Quarter sessions; "QS/1/9/344 .......................... Paul Eva, Samuel Glasson, William Harvey and Charles Canarthen committed to bridewell for want of sureties in breach of peace against Hector Edward Bull, esq.: discharged."
Then in 1833 at the time of christening 3 children Charles "Carmarten" the younger is in Constantine poorhouse; in 1841 wife Mary is on her own in Truro with the chidren, and again in 1851 - but she is shown as Married per census, not Widowed, so I though criminal records might show up something for Charles Carnarten or similar spelling....
Thankyou! Don't think the Curnows are mine, although middle one could be...
Charles Carnarton 1846 larceny conviction at age 18 would be he who was btzd 7/1/1827 in Kenwyn, son of Charles and Mary; 3 siblings were bptzd in 1833 from the Constantine workhouse, so he didn't have a great start in life. But the sad thing is through elimination of the other Charles Carnarton (his father) from the 2 available deaths in BMD (because his father was in 1851 census as Karnarton I found this afternoon after my posting, so the father's must be the death in March q 1858 in Falmouth, back near family, so the wife was left in Truro at both censuses 1841 & 1851 whilst he worked away) I have just found out today young Charles' death was that per BMD of Sep quarter 1846. So that would make it during or at the end of his 4 month sentence for larceny, age 18.
When I started looking at Carnarthens/Carnartens to sort out, there weren't many of them, perhaps 40+; I now have 128! ( I think that will be it.....) But I'm getting there....
Thanks for coming back so quickly with the look-up information.
Hi Heather, I wonder if your reference contains any further information about the following case which I found in the CRO catalogue of records of the Quarter Sessions.
“Sessions held at Truro (ref QS/1/9/276-316,: 20 April 1819: George Stephens and James Dunn, both of St. Blazey, labs., indicted for entering William Phillips' house and for assaulting him: each fined £2.10s.0d. and imprisoned until fine paid.”
I fear that James Dunn/Donne/Downe might be one of mine and any further personal information could help to confrim this.
I've come up against a brick wall for Thomas Balch Francis born c1838, who married Fanny Nicholls in Madron 5 May 1861 and then disappears when she died of consumption in 1867. Their son Richard ends up living with grandparents and when he got married in 1886, Thomas appears as deceased.
I can't find Thomas death and wondered if, as a last resort , you could check the Cornish criminal records to discount his whereabouts between 1863 to 1886?
Thank you Hilary
FRANCIS/ HILL/ NICHOLLS/ TREMBATH/ GRENVILLE/ JAGO FAMILIES OF PENZANCE, ST HILARY, MADRON, MARRAZIAN, ST JUST & ST MICHAEL'S MOUNT, CORNWALL
Here are a few of the DAVEY's and the information I have found. You may be able to work out from dates if any may be yours. (More when I have time) Best regards HeatherC
John DAVEY, July Sessions 1820, Larceny, 1 Week Imprisonment
John DAVEY, January Sessions 1827, Receiving Stolen Goods, Not Guilty.
James DAVEY , Larceny, Michaelmas Sessions 1833, 6 Months Imprisonment.
John DAVEY, Larceny, Michaelmas Sessions 1833, Not Guilty
JosephDAVEY , age 27, County Assizes 1st August 1835, Larceny, No Bill (Acquittal)
Mary Ann Carvolth Davey, age 21, Larceny, County Sessions 5th April 1836, No Bill (Acquittal)
Richard DAVEY age 23, Larceny two convistions, County Sessions 24th March 1837, Transportation 7 years on each conviction.
From the West Briton & Cornwall Advertiser on the above case Richard DAVEY, indicted for having feloniously stolen in the parish of Feock, a barn sheet, property of William Stephens, and four fowls. His guilt was clearly established in both cases, and he was sentenced to seven years transportation for each offense.
John DAVEY, age 20, Degree of Instruction - Imp, Larceny, County Assizes 24th March 1837, 12 Months Imprisonment
From the West Briton & Cornwall Advertiser on the above case John DAVY, 20, and William HOCKING, 22, were charged with having stolen in Penryn, two drakes and four ducks, the property of John Share. John STANDLY was indicted for receiving same, knowing them to be stolen. The evidence proved that Standly's house, which is a beer shop, was open at two o'clock, and again at three in the morning; that Davy and Hocking were seen in the direction of Mr. Share's house, at the hour just mentioned; that when Standly's house was searched, the ducks were found between the bed and sacking with a child lying on top. Mr. Hughes defended the prisoner Standly, but he was so implicated that no ingenuity of counsel could extricate him, and they were all three found guilty. The two former were sentenced to twelve month's imprisonment, and Standly to transportation for fourteen years.
John DAVEY junr., age 18, Degree of Instruction - Imp, Larceny _?_ in a dwelling house, County Sessions 2nd July 1839, 9 Months Imprisonment
Thomas DAVEY age 15, Larceny, County Assizes 26th March 1839, 14(?) Days and Whipped.
James Davey, age 34, Degree of Instruction - Imp, Larceny, County Sessions 2nd July 1839, Not Guilty
From the West Briton & Cornwall Advertiser on the above case James DAVEY, 34, was charged with stealing some leather, the property of his employer, Henry BENNETT, shoemaker, of Truro. It appeared that the prisoner was employed by Mr. Bennett, and received leather to make some shoes, which he afterwards sold. The Chairman stopped the case, and said it would be necessary for the prosecutor to show that at the time the leather was handed to the prisoner he intended to sell it. This, the Chairman apprehended could not be shown, and the case could not therefore be sustained. The jury immediately acquitted the prisoner.
John DAVEY, age 18, Larceny, County Assizes 1st August 1840, 6 Months Imprisonment.
William DAVEY, age 30, Degree of Instruction - Imp, County Sessions 20th October 1840, Sheep Stealing, 12 months Imprisonment
From the West Briton & Cornwall Advertiser on the above caseSHEEP STEALING WILLIAM DAVEY, 30, was charged with having stolen a lamb, the property of Mr. John STEVENS, of Truro. James MERRIFIELD, the hind of Mr. Stevens, stated that on the 10th of August last he missed a lamb, the property of Mr. Stevens, at Higher Tregurrow, and was induced from circumstances of suspicion to go to the house of the prisoner who was in Mr. Stevens employ, and he there found the greater portion of a lamb, in a flesh pot, and he searched the garden the day after, and found the entrails buried there. Witness went to the constable in Truro, by his masters directions. Simon LORD is servant to Mr. STEVENS; recollects the lamb being missed from his masters fields on the 10th of August last; remembers seeing the prisoner on that day about five in the afternoon; heard him say that he took it out of the field between three and four oclock in the morning; witness had sheared lambs a few days before; knew the skin of the lamb that he had shorn, and knew it very plain at that time; took the skin to the hinds house. William ROWE, constable of Truro, stated that on the 10th of August he took prisoner into custody; told him why he did so, and he said he did do it, and that it was owing to his poverty for he and his family were starving at the time. Took possession of the skin, which was now produced, and identified by LORD, as the skin of one of the lambs which he sheared. John STEVENS examined. I live at Truro, and occupy Tregurrow farm in St. Clements. In consequence of information, I went to the house of the prisoner on the farm, on the 10th of August. I went into the house because I suspected that the lamb was there. I saw the lamb in the flesh pot. Shortly afterwards, I went down to one of the fields where the prisoner was. When the prisoner saw me coming, he went out of the field and went over the hedge. I sent some men after him, and he was stopped. I asked him how he came to do it. In the first place about two oclock, he asked me for 4s. to buy some mutton. This was on Monday. I said how is it that you are so poor, for you had your wages on Saturday? He said he wanted to live better in harvest. I said then William, I suppose you will buy some beef and be able to work strong and stiff. He said No Sir, I shall buy mutton. In the afternoon when I came up to him, I asked him how he could want money to buy mutton when I found so much in his house? He said he was sorry for it, and he hoped that I would let him go. If I would let him go away, he would never come into the county again. I said I could not do it, he must stop till the constable came up and take his chance. He has a wife and two children. He was working for what he could earn. MR. SMITH How much did he get a week? The question was objected to, and the court said it could not be put, but not before Mr. Stevens had said that he got about a guinea a week. GUILTY, Twelve months hard labour.
Elizabeth DAVEY age 14, Larceny, County Sessions 29th June 1841, 1 Month Imprisonment.
John DAVEY, age 24, Larceny before convt. of Felony. County Sessions 15th March 1842, 3 Months Imprisonment.
From the West Briton & Cornwall Advertiser on the above case John DAVEY, 24, William TIMMINS, 24, and Richard RICHARDS, 28, were charged with having stolen, on the 15th of February, two pints of porter, the property of George BROKENSHIR, of Penryn. The prosecutor carries on the business of a wharfinger at Penryn. On the 14th of February, he had in his charge a cask of porter, perfectly clean and unspiled. On the 15th, the three prisoners were in his employ as porters, carrying foreign corn into his bonded cellar, near the house in which the porter was placed. In the afternoon, Richards borrowed a gimlet of a carpenter named GROSE, professedly for the purpose of mending a plank but the prisoners were seen by Mr. TRESTRAIL, the custom-house officer on duty at the bonded cellar, in the porter cellar, Timmins having his two hands and head close to the cask. They all came out, wiping their mouths. On the 16th Mr. Brokenshir found that the cask had been spiled, and that it had been soiled for the purpose of concealing the spile. While the prisoners were being conveyed to Truro, on their way to Bodmin, in charge of a constable, Timmins said he was going to prison, but he could not call it for stealing, adding that if he got out of this trouble he would take care never to get into another one. The jury found the prisoners ALL GUILTY. A certificate of former conviction and imprisonment [against] the prisoner DAVEY, for stealing a .. from John SHARE. Davey, Three months’ hard labour, and during that period, three weeks' solitary confinement. Timmins and Richards, two month's hard labour.
George DAVEY age 18, Larceny, County Sessions 4th January 1842, 3 Months Imprisonment. From the West Briton & Cornwall Advertiser on the above case George DAVEY, 18, was charged with stealing one yard of broad cloth, and a yard of cotton, the property of Richard KITTO, tailor, of Truro. It appeared that the prisoner was seen at Truro, about the 20th of September last. At that period the prosecutor had a piece of cloth, and a piece of calico, in his shop, and the prisoner was seen, by a mason named Benjamin BAWDEN, to come out of the shop with a bundle. The prisoner was then traced along the road toward Lostwithiel. When about a mile from Truro, he overtook Gabriel's Plymouth van, and asked permission to place his parcel in the van. That was allowed, and he walked behind to Lostwithiel, where he slept. The parcel was placed by Gabriel in a yard where it was locked up, and the prisoner went to sleep at a house kept by a constable named SYMONS. The next day, the prisoner left the house without paying his reckoning, in consequence of which Symons followed the van and looked at the parcel, which was found to contain cloth. The prisoner gave several different accounts as to the manner in which he became possessed of the property. The cloth was afterwards missed by Mr. Kitto, and traced into the possession of the prisoner. Guilty.
Thomas DAVEY age 21, Horse Stealing before Convt. of Felony, County Sessions 31st December 1844, 10 years Transportation. From the West Briton & Cornwall Advertiser (10th January 1845) on the above case THOMAS DAVEY, 21, charged with stealing a bay mare, the property of JOHN EVEREL, in the parish of Kenwyn, pleaded not guilty; and the case went to trial. For the prosecution, Mr. HOCKIN; defence, Mr. BENNALLACK. John Everl, examined. Lives at Short-lane's end, in the parish of Kenwyn. Has right of pasturage on a common belonging to the Earl of Falmouth. Kept a cow and mare. On the morning of the 20th of September, put out the latter to grass on the common. Missed her in the afternoon, and did not see her again till Sunday morning, when she was brought back by JOHN JENKINS and another. JOHN FORD, lives near the prosecutor, and has known his mare for two years. Going from Short-lane's-end about half past ten on the morning of the 20th of September, saw Everel's cow and mare on the common. Between half-past eleven and twelve met the prisoner leading the mare on the road toward St. Agnes. Identifies the prisoner, who has a wooden leg, and walks with a crutch. JAMES POLKINGHORNE, lives at St. Day, about seven miles from Short-lane's-end. On the 20th of September met the prisoner leading a horse. Cried to him "Helloa, old feller! What are you doing with the 'orse?" He said - "I am going to sell it, if I can." Witness said - "What do you ask for it?" He replied, "What is it worth?" Witness answered - "I don't know," but said he would give him a watch to swop for it. Prisoner agreed, and took the mare to witness's house, where he exchanged it for the watch, but was once offered 23s. for it. Was summoned before the magistrate five weeks afterwards. Got back the watch. JOHN JENKINS swore to his getting the mare at Polkinghorne's, and returning it to Everel. Polkinghorne, being re-called by the Chairman, stated that Jenkins returned him his watch when he came for the mare. Mr. Bennallack complained of the delay that had occurred in apprehending the prisoner - the October Sessions having been allowed to pass, and the county being now charged above GBP20 for expenses, including GBP8. 16s. to the constable, Mr. JAMES, of Truro, as expenses of searching for the prisoner. Everel was then re-called, and stated that he obtained a warrant and gave it to Mr. James directly, but the prisoner was not taken till five weeks afterwards. He called on Mr. James once or twice, and was told that he could not then take the prisoner.
Mr. Bennallack then called Mr. OATES, who stated that he lives at Twelveheads, and is a shoemaker. Prisoner was in his employment for a considerable time, till he was taken. He served him well; witness could not wish for a better servant, and would gladly take him back in the event of his acquittal. Prisoner lived in his house, and might have been taken at any time from the date of the warrant till his apprehension, as he never went out of the way. Mr. Bennallack having addressed the jury, Mr. Hockin replied. The jury returned a verdict of Guilty, with a recommendation to mercy on the ground of his character. An indictment and certificate of a former conviction of the prisoner was proved, an objection to which was taken by Mr. Bennallack on the ground of a difference in their [.......tions?] of the prisoner. Objection [raised?] for consideration. C. B. G. SAWLE, Esq., gave notice that he should move that the expenses of the constable in this case should be disallowed. The court passed sentence of Ten Years' Transportation, but stated that from his lameness, the prisoner would not be sent out of the kingdom, but would be detained in a prison.
William DAVEY age 34, Degree of Instruction - Imp, County Assizes 24th March 1845, Manslaughter, Not Guilty
From the West Briton & Cornwall Advertiser (Friday 21st March 1845) on the above case MANSLAUGHTER - On Monday last, a man called WILLIAM DAVEY, of the parish of Saint Germans, was committed to gaol by Mr. GILBERT HAMLEY, deputy coroner, for killing and slaying JOHN WEBBER, of the same parish. The two men fought each other for a very short time, when Davey struck deceased on the top of the head which the medical gentleman who was sent for had no doubt caused his death, there being about five ounces of blood on the brain immediately under the bruise.
James DAVEY age 14, Larceny, County Assizes 8th April 1845, 1 Month & Whipped. From the West Briton & Cornwall Advertiser on the above case JAMES DAVEY, 14, was charged with having stolen, on the 2nd of April last, 25 lbs of coals, the property of STEPHEN DAVEY, Esq., and others, adventurers in the Consolidated mines. He pleaded not guilty. THOMAS VERRAN, engine-man at Bawdin engine in the Consolidated mine, met the prisoner coming through the yard in which coals were kept for the engine, carrying a sack. On seeing Verran, the boy threw down the sack, which was found to contain coals, and ran back and got over the yard wall. He was overtaken and seized, and said that he had taken the coals for his mother, who had none to make a fire with. CAPTAIN HITCHINS proved the coals were the property of the adventurers. Guilty. One months' hard labour, and once privately whipped.
James DAVEY, age 16, larceny before Convt. of Felony, County Assizes 25th March 1846, 6 Months Imprisonment & Whipped Twice. From West Briton & Cornwall Advertiser on the above case JAMES DAVEY, 16, was found Guilty of stealing 4lbs. of candles, the property of HENRY MAGOR, a miner at the Consolidated Mines, in Gwennap. A former conviction was proved against the prisoner, for stealing 25 lbs. of coals, the property of STEPHEN DAVEY and others. Six months' hard labour, and twice privately whipped.
Mary DAVEY, age 20, Larceny, County Sessions 24th March 1847, No Bill (Acquittal)
William DAVEY, age 16, House Breaking, County Assizes 25th March 1848, 1 Year Imprisonment.
James DAVEY, age 17, Larceny, County Sessions 2nd January 1849, 9 Months Imprisonment. From the West Briton & Cornwall Advertiser on the above caseJAMES DAVEY, 17, was found Guilty of stealing a pound of mineral candles, the property of JAMES KNOTWELL, at the United mines, in the parish of Gwennap.
Thomas DAVEY, Larceny, County Sessions 3rd July 1849, Not Guilty. From West Briton & Cornwall Advertiser on the above case CHARGE OF STEALING FROM UNITED MINES - THOMAS DAVEY, 20, was indicted for stealing from the United Mines, in the parish of Gwennap, eight fathoms of rope, the property of RICHARD TAYLOR and others, adventurers in the mine. Mr. HOCKIN prosecuted, and Mr. SHILSON defended the prisoner. Captain JOHN HOLMAN, one of the captains of the United mines, said that in the early part of this year he handed to a man called NICHOLLS about fourteen fathoms of rope for use at a windlass. The rope was of a peculiar construction; it was made at the mine, was different from that generally used, and he never saw such rope before at the mine. Mr. JOHN TAYLOR, Mr. RICHARD TAYLOR and others were adventurers. Cross-examined - He did not mean to say that rope of that descriptions was only made at the United Mines; he never saw much rope used at any mine before, but he had seen it on board ship. Captain E. HALSE, of Ting Tang mine, said the prisoner worked at that mine in May last on tribute, at the shallow adit, about twenty-four fathoms from surface. He and his partner were to have 15s. in the pound, and had to provide rope and materials. When they raised ore they had to lower it to a lower level, in order to be wheeled to the shaft and drawn up. On the 14th of May, witness went underground to prisoner's pitch, where he found some ore which he was searching for, and about six fathoms of rope, with a lashing and crook at the end. He knew it was not their rope, and spoke to prisoner when he saw him at grass, but prisoner said he knew nothing about it. In the pitch the rope was lying in a dry place, but being wet he concluded that it had recently been used. There was a pail which was used by the tributers, and a crook at the end of the rope might have been used to lower the pail. Cross-examined by Mr. SHILSON - William James took the pitch; witness did not know whether prisoner was present; saw James in the pitch the week before the 14th of May, but Davey was not there; had not seen Davey there during their last "take;" they had not abandoned the pitch on the 14th of May. JAMES UREN, a policeman employed by the mines for the protection of property, on the 14th of May, went to a house where prisoner had formerly lodged; saw a rope there and marked it, as was his custom with regard to suspicious articles. Cross-examined - RICHARD JAMES, with whom the prisoner had lived, was then in prison, and the house was unoccupied. WILLIAM NICHOLLS, a few days after the 14th of May went to the unoccupied house where prisoner had previously lodged, and found the rope marked by Uren had been removed and placed under some straw in an outhouse. The outhouse was all open and also the dwelling-house. The rope was lost about a fortnight after it had been given out at the mine. Mr. Shilson submitted that there was no case to go to the jury. The rope was delivered out at the mine in the early part of the year, and according to Nicholls it was missed about a fortnight after. Now it was a rule of law that unless an article was found within a reasonably short time after it was missed, no man was to be called on to account for having it in possession. He contended also that the rope was not shown to have ever been in the prisoner's possession; and in fact that there was no distinct proof that the rope found belonged to the United Mines. Mr. HOCKIN replied, but the court decided that the case should not go to the jury. The Chairman said the property had been lost in January and not found till the 14th of May. It was a rule of law that where property had been recently stolen, and found in a person's possession he was bound to account for it, but not so if a long lapse of time had taken place, some of the Judges having laid down the time as two or three months. Verdict, under the direction of the court, Not Guilty.
Daniel DAVEY, Larceny by Servant, County Assizes 2nd August 1851, 6 Months Imprisonment.
Priscilla DAVEY, Simple Larceny, General Quarter Sessions 17th October 1854, 2 Cal Months
James DAVEY, Taking and removing copper ore, General Quarter Sessions 5th January 1858, 6 Months Imprisonment
William DAVEY, Larceny, General Quarter Sessions 5th January 1858, 3 Months Imprisonment.
Thomas DAVEY alias DAVENRY, Larceny, Epithany Sessions 6th January 1863, Not Guilty
Willim Henry DAVEY, Assault, General Quarter Sessions Bodmin 28th June 1864, 1 Cal Month.
John DAVEY, Breaking and Entering A Dwelling House and Stealing Therein, Midsummer General Quarter Sessions Bodmin 2nd July 1867, 3 Months Imprisonment.
John DAVEY, misdemeanor, Obtaining goods under false pretences, Epithany General Qaurter Sessions 31st December 1867, 5 Months Imprisonment
Mark DAVEY (2 indictments), Larceny & Receiving, Midsummer General Quarter Sessions Bodmin 28th June 1870, 6 Months Hard Labour.