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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 2, 2007 12:24:41 GMT -5
You Darling You! When you have the chance please supply full details from that Census if you can. (Obviously not 'full' but relevant details of who was int he party and their ages etc.) Still need to find out where the rest of Jane's family was 1
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Post by Zenobia on May 2, 2007 12:58:19 GMT -5
Excellent work Calswimmer! Here it is: 1850, Cheshire, New Haven Co., CT, p. 178: James Lanyon, age 33, miner, 3000/0, b. ENG Lucretia Lanyon, age 35, b. CT Wesley Lanyon, age 2, b. CT Jane Trullah, age 13, b. ENG Evaline Brooks, age 57, b. ENG It looks like the census taker originally wrote Trullah, and then corrected it to Truelah. Jane is listed in the Ancestry index as Jane Turblak
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Post by Zenobia on May 2, 2007 13:12:08 GMT -5
I just found them.... 1850, Cheshire, New Haven Co., CT, p. 155 (78) Mathew T ----- , age 46, miner, b. ENG Julia " , age 45, b. ENG Mathew " , age 21, b. ENG Wm " , age 11, b. ENG Mary " , age 9, b. ENG Ann " , age 7, b. ENG The person just before them in the census is a Thorp, so since Mathew's family is listed only as a "T" and a line, the indexer made them all Thorps....
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 2, 2007 13:43:12 GMT -5
CALSWIMMER - ZENOBIA - Thank you both for your work! This will help immensely but I won't get to do too much with it tonight. Please check the 'starts' on my new threads and think about what you may have to offer. I will start adding some substance to them all tomorow - I Hope! Have to start servicing Fire Equipment and have it all done by the end of this month so may be a little busy. However, WELL DONE once again - and let's see what else might be found this way? ;D
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Post by Zenobia on May 3, 2007 20:45:35 GMT -5
Here is a little item of interest from the rootsweb archive:
Burdge Funeral Home Records, Glenwood Springs, Garfield Co, Colo
STEVEN, Henry. (b 4, p 21), April 22, 1936. Residence, Riland. Charged to Caroline A. Stevens, Riland. Order given by family. Secured by his Estate. Occupation, Farmer. Born, Oct. 29, 1872. Age 67 years, 5 months, 24 days. Funeral, April 24, 1936, 2 p.m. at Gypsum. Death at Dr. Hopkins Hospital. Physician, Dr. Hopkins, Glenwood Springs, Colorado. Father, James Stevens, born England. Mother, Julia Truella, born England. Interment at Rose Bud Cemetery.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 4, 2007 8:40:09 GMT -5
Excellent work once again! Another link I will follow up on in the coming days (and nights).
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Post by Zenobia on May 5, 2007 18:28:56 GMT -5
I just found them.... 1850, Cheshire, New Haven Co., CT, p. 155 (78) Mathew T ----- , age 46, miner, b. ENG Julia " , age 45, b. ENG Mathew " , age 21, b. ENG Wm " , age 11, b. ENG Mary " , age 9, b. ENG Ann " , age 7, b. ENG Glebe Cornish Terrier - was waiting for a specific comment on the above. Do you notice anyone missing.... ?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 6, 2007 15:09:19 GMT -5
Here is a little item of interest from the rootsweb archive: Burdge Funeral Home Records, Glenwood Springs, Garfield Co, Colo STEVEN, Henry. (b 4, p 21), April 22, 1936. Residence, Riland. Charged to Caroline A. Stevens, Riland. Order given by family. Secured by his Estate. Occupation, Farmer. Born, Oct. 29, 1872. Age 67 years, 5 months, 24 days. Funeral, April 24, 1936, 2 p.m. at Gypsum. Death at Dr. Hopkins Hospital. Physician, Dr. Hopkins, Glenwood Springs, Colorado. Father, James Stevens, born England. Mother, Julia Truella, born England. Interment at Rose Bud Cemetery. Having just had time to get to this one I find it very interesting and also now need to find time to pursue it further to ensure all information and connections are correct. I would be guessing that Henry Stevens would have been about the youngest child of James and Julia given the following:- Julia was born at Ludgvan, Cornwall May 28, 1828. James Stevens and Julia were married at Cheshire, CT, December 20 1849 Should all information be correct and linked to the same family then Julia would have been 44 when Henry was born - hence he was the youngest, or very close to the youngest child in the family. Next quest - Census records again! ;D Will look at other notes and post later.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 6, 2007 15:32:49 GMT -5
I must be getting very slow in my old age. Just looked a little more closely at some of these notes (having 'made' a little time) and, yes, I see the point! JOSEPH is missing (but he could be hiding : - refer to my recent posting re Census Records. I KNOW - clutching at straws - but it is still possible that Joseph belongs to this family and may have been with other relatives at the time of the Census. You are getting closer to being right on this but I do not want to leave anything for granted 'if I can help it'. There is still the CURNOW connection to follow up on this one and that is probably my main point of contention now. I will keep this one open for a while and hope we can get something on the CURNOW line that might help solve the problem finally. ;D
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Post by Zenobia on May 8, 2007 15:41:41 GMT -5
Well Joseph would have to be roughly around 2-4 years old, so I did a search on "Jos***" (no surname) b. 1847 (+/- 5 yrs) in New Haven Co., and there is no one who is even a close possibility. Now we know Jane was out of the household, but she was older. With infant mortality being what it is, I don't think a child of tender years would be farmed out to anyone but a very close relative, and the Lanyons don't have him.... A note of some importance too: in England persons are recorded on the census at the place where they were physically staying when the census taker arrived, even if they were just there for one night. In the US, however, persons are supposed to be recorded only at their place of 'normal abode'. So a child visiting grandma for a few days would still be listed in his parents' household for instance, not the grandmother's. Back to the scenario of our Joseph of 1880 being the husband of Elizabeth Curnow, and then later the husband of Margaret and immigrator to Oregon... I still do not see a problem with Joseph coming to CT (I think you said one or more of his brothers were there at one time?) and falling in with the others in the Cornish community and thence marrying the Curnow whose brother happened to marry a member of another Trewhella family. The Cornish in America did tend to be clannish. I know too, if I had an unusual surname like Trewhella, and moved to a new area only to find someone else in the town had the same name, I would certainly go hobnob with them...
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 3, 2007 7:36:09 GMT -5
Have been taking a bit of a look at the Lanyon side of things here whilst having an 'offline' rest. Soon as I got back 'online' I did some checking of IGI and UK Census to see what I might find to help. The only Henry LANYON I could find baptised near the right time was:- 10 Aug 1817 at Ludgvan - Henry s/o John and Ann Lanyon This one does not really seem to work with our scenario but must be still considered. (Baptism a good three years late for a start). I then looked at the 1841 Census for the information previously quoted in the first page of this thread regarding Henry LANYON at St Philip & Jacob Parish in Bristol. (There was comment about a WILLS family living next door with a daughter named 'Arabella') From there I moved to the St Catherine's House Marriage index and found something interesting. Please take note of the following CT Census entry and, particularly, the name of Henry Lanyon's wife:- June Qtr 1840 - District BATH, County AVON, SOMERSET Henry LANYON m. Elizabeth Sarah WILLS Could that ?T? from the Census be an S FURTHER to the above comment regarding the WILLS family and Henry LANYON's family living 'next door' - another look at that particular Census record suggests to me that BOTH families are in the SAME HOUSEHOLD. The task from here is to determine whether Henry Lanyon was a brother to Julia or if, maybe, he was a cousin. I can, so far, only find the one Henry Lanyon within the requied period but he, as shown above, was son of John and Ann. Next decision was to see if I could find a little more about JAMES LANYON and that proved very interesting. IGI:- James Lanyon s/o WILLIAM & MARY bp. Ludgvan 22nd December 1822 (bn. 11th May 1817) This shows the probability that James was a brother of Juliana (Trewhella) and helps explain why Juliana's daughter Jane was with James in the 1860 Census in CT. BUT Henry is still the problem. His age is consistently given to reflect a birth of about 1814 AND he also has a daughter named JULIA ....... It is now back to you, my dear colleagues.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 3, 2009 13:07:08 GMT -5
Another thread to be updated shortly having recently found further information on the LANYON family from Connecticut records. I am still not exactly sure how Henry fits into the picture but I may have a better idea once I have sifted through this latest informaton properly. With any luck I will find some further links from this.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 4, 2009 10:41:19 GMT -5
This discussion is now crossing two threads but for continuity on the LANYON side I will place the updates here. I have spent hours working on the family over the last two days and still have one minor lingering doubt about Henry LANYON however ..... Henry LANYON married Elizabeth Sarah WILLS at the Bath Registry Office in Somerset in 1840 and had two children born in England. (As per earlier note on this thread.) In 1841 Henry and Elizabeth were enumerated with Elizabeth's parents in Gloucestershire. I also found the WILLS family in 1851 but this time living in Cheshire and it is recorded that all members of the family were born at Bath, Somerset. Henry and his family travelled to New York in 1844 on the 'George Washington' with Matthew TREWHELLA, husband of Juliana LANYON. On the face of it the probability would be that Henry and Juliana were siblings however I can find no evidence of a Henry born to William and Mary LANYON although there is 'just' room to fit him into the family if he were born in 1814. But all children of the family were baptised in Ludgvan and there is no record of Henry. There is, however, a Henry baptised at Ludgvan in 1817 to John and Ann LANYON. John LANYON was baptised at Gulval 7th July 1782 s/o William and Mary (nee POOLEY) and married Ann HOSKEN at Ludgvan 19th November 1815. Although his age is consistently recorded to reflect a birth of 1814 I am now compelled to believe that the son of John and Ann must be the same Henry who went to Connecticut with Matthew TREWHELLA in which case he was a first cousin to Juliana. The James LANYON with whom Juliana's daughter Jane was staying in the 1850 and 1860 US Census at Connecticut was Juliana's brother who was baptised at Ludgvan 11th May 1817. There is an interesting query arising from this. Henry obviously moved away from Cornwall prior to 1840 given it was that year that he was married in Bath to a Somerset girl. His children were born in 1841 and 1843 and then the family migrated to America in 1844 with Matthew TREWHELLA. So how was this all arranged? There must have been quite a bit of communication involved and possibly trips between Ludgvan and (probably) Gloucestershire to discuss possibilities, plans and anything else involved with such a move. And what prompted such a decision? Could it have been something to do with Julia's youngest brother James? It seems that he was the first to leave as I believe it is he who arrived in New York aboard the 'Toronto' 20th March 1840. And with him was a Matthew CURNOW who was born about 1814! This may well have been the same Matthew CURNOW who returned to Connecticut more than ten years later with wife Philippa and their children of whom two have been the subject of other threads due to their marriages to TREWHELLAs. And for the benefit of Zenobia:- The last four on this list were the wife and family of Joseph Martin LANYON, another younger brother of Julia. And again this would prompt the thought that Henry must have been the brother of her husband! I can see no other answer to that minor dilemma and must be satisfied with my results - Unless someone finds a missing brother for Julia! CT
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Post by thatsmejennig on Nov 18, 2016 9:45:43 GMT -5
And next door: Mathew Drewlee, age 40, butcher, 3000/500, b. ENG Maggie Drewlee, age 40, b. ENG Sarah Drewlee, age 13, b. CT Maggie Drewlee, age 11, b. CT Theodore Drewlee, age 2, b. CT So is "Sarah" supposed to be Susan? And Margaret Diantha Hotchkiss was born in CT not ENG, and Susan (Sarah) and Maggie were born in Grass Valley CA. And when did the Trewhellas switch from mining to being butchers? I have no idea if these threads are even still monitored, but I'm working on my tree and can't fill the California gap with any supporting documentation
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 20, 2016 9:29:25 GMT -5
Yes, these threads are certainly being monitored and I must say that it is nice to have someone to talk to with an interest in this family! NO, I don't think so! The original information I found on this family nearly 30 years ago had ALL of the children of Matthew and Margaret born in Grass Valley but there is no way possible that could have been the case! You only need to look at the burial records for St Peter's Episcopal Cemetery at Cheshire, CT to be able to work that out. For example - their fifth child James Argle Trewhella died at Cheshire, CT 2nd June 1866 yet only a week early on 23rd May 1866 son Alfred James is supposed to have been born at Grass Valley!!! You are unable to find any supporting documentation for the California gap simply because I do not believe there is any. Matthew and Julia Trewhella left Cornwall and settled in Connecticut in 1844 and the family has largely remained there to this day. Matthew (husband of Margaret Hotchkiss) was their second child and the Hotchkiss family had been in Connecticut for many years. I think that Grass Valley information came from the IGI and was probably submitted by a member of the LDS. I have no idea how Grass Valley got into the picture but I have never, in more than 30 years, been able to find anything to support it. I have certainly found plenty of information to discredit it though! The Trewhellas were mostly miners but at least two of the sons of Matthew and Julia (Matthew and William) became butchers before 1870. I am extremely interested to know where you connect to this family as we will no doubt be related somewhere along the line. The original Matthew (married Juliana Lanyon at Ludgvan in 1827) was a younger brother of my 3xgt-grandfather. I have a lot of information that has not yet been updated in my database so I look forward to discussing the family more with you. CT
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