Trahair Surname

[Cornish Terrier]

RLT - could you please supply some details for the marriage of William TRAHAR and Mary STROUT.

I am so far unable to find any record of this event so it is making it more difficult for me to try and help you.

At this point I can find only two William's who could possibly be who either you or emily are looking for.

One was born 1848 son of Stephen and Mary Ann and the other born about 1852 son Hopson and Eliza Trahar.

It is highly likely that an error has occurred with the recording of the father's name and believe me I have seen it often enough.

In fact I have actually seen it twice in the last two days.

So the more information you can supply here the more likely I will be able to helpl.

CT

[emilyc]

I must admit I am coming up more and more with the likelyhood being that Hopson is my Williams father.

[emilyc]

Oh and RLT I know another person Kevin who is looking at that area of Cornwall Trahars if you want i can pass on your email address to him and he might be able to help, although I know he got aloth of information from Sandra.
Emily

[Cornish Terrier]

Everyone - the more little pieces of information we can gather here the better.

With everything known available I will have a much better chance of helping you but it does look, in Emily's case, that Hopson is the man.

CT

[emilyc]

A girl could go off you.
But buggeri've been talking to the Ooline parish clarke and that the person we came up with,
1881 census -at 3 York place, Plymouth

Jane Fahair !!!! 27 sailor's wife born Truro
Henrietta dau 3 Plymouth
Frederick son "
living with Jane Tamlin age 25 ( I think another sailor's wife)

1891
Mary J TREHAR 39 sailor's wife Truro
Henrietta 13 Plymouth
Frederick 10 "
Archibald 5 "
William 3 "
Francis 1 "

1901 census -
William TRAHAR 50 Engine driver Falmouth
Mary J 51 Truro
Frederick 20 carpenter Plymouth
Archibald 16 " "
William 13 stoker "
Francis 12 scholar "
Lily M 7 " "

plus 2 boarders


In FreeBMD I found the marriage of William and M-J in
Sept 1876, but his name is down as TRAER or TREAR. (I have the copy of this it is the right family but wrongly spelled. It states Williams father as William a blacksmith and MAry J Father as George.)

FreeBMD also has the births of Mary Jane and of the children.

There is a possible birth for William, under TRAHER, in 1848 at Plympton St Mary, which is near Plymouth.
(Although i dont think this is him as he maintains he was born in Cornwall.)

The 1861 at Perranarworthal, which is near Falmouth -
has
Hopson TREHEAR 42
Eliza 37
E Jane 10
william 8

[Cornish Terrier]

A girl could go off you.

Well I'm not as pretty as I used to be!
Come to think of it - not sure I was ever that pretty!

Okay - I have just found the 1881 Census entry but by my reading of the name (which is quite clear on the original) I would say the name was TRAHAIR.

There is a line through the middle of the first letter but if you compare it with the T in Tamlin and the F in Frederick it is more like a T.

But there is most definitely an 'r' as the second letter.

However I am sure this is the right family and is backed up by what you found in the 1901 Census.

Jane Tamlin is a 'seamstress' but is married so her husband may well also be a sailor.

But she is living next door to Jane at number 3 York Place while Jane and the children are at number 4 York Place.

In FreeBMD I found the marriage of William and M-J in
Sept 1876, but his name is down as TRAER or TREAR. (I have the copy of this it is the right family but wrongly spelled. It states Williams father as William a blacksmith and MAry J Father as George.)

And if you take another look at the 1861 Census you will note that Hopson Trahar was also a 'Blacksmith'!

I am sure Hopson was the father of your William - regardless of what is written on the marriage certificate.

I have a perfect example of this type of error.

In 1844 John Jenkyn Quick married Martha Stevens at St Ives

On the marriage certificate it states that John's father was George Quick.

The names of John and Martha's children suggested that his father was actually William Quick.

There were two John Jenkyn Quicks born about the same time - one was son of George and the other son of William with George and William being brothers.

Subsequently a death certificate was found which proved that the son of George had died in 1837.

Therefore the John who married in 1844 was the son of William Quick and not George!

I have numerous examples of this on birth, death and marriage certificates.

And here is a little something I just found for you:-

Mary Jane POLKINHORN bp. Truro, St George's 17th August 1850 daughter of George and Caroline

Hmmm - looks like it might start getting messy again!

I have a couple of things to look at and will then post some more information for you.

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

1861 Census
Bosvigo Lane, Kenwyn

Geo POLKINGHORNE, head, mar., 30, labourer, Truro
Caroline do., wife, mar., 35, Devon Plymouth
MARY J do., daur, 11, Truro
Willm do., son, 9, Truro
George do., son, 6, Truro
Bessie do., daur, 4, Truro
Charles do., son, 2, Truro

That all looks fine but it becomes interesting when we go back to the 1851 Census.

1851 Census
Calenick Street, Kenwyn

George POLKINGHORNE, head, mar., 20, van carter, Truro
KATE do., wife, mar., 20, Devon Plymouth
Mary Jane do., daur, 1, Truro

Now let's take a look at the only marriage I can find for a George Polkinghorne to someone named Caroline in the OPC site and FreeBMD:-

14th July 1853 Kenwyn
George Polkinghorne, age 22, bachelor, labourer of Calenick Street (father = William Polkinghorne, tin man)
Caroline Ann Browse, age 21, spinster of Calenack Street (father = Phinees Browse, mariner)
Witnesses:- T G Hicks, Mary Mugford

This marriage is 3 years after the birth of Mary Jane!

Now that seems confusing enough and I have tried many variations of the surname.

But let's now move on to 1871.

1871 Census
26 Fore Street, St Columb Major

George POLKINGHORNE, head, mar., 46, groom, Truro
CATHERINE do., wife, mar., 45, Devon Plymouth
Wm H do., son, 18, tailor's apprentice, Truro
George do., son, 16, painter's apprentice, Truro
Bessie do., daur, 12, scholar, Truro
Charles do., son, 10, scholar, Truro
Frederick do., son, 8, scholar, Truro
James do., son, 6, scholar, Truro
Bertha do., daur., 4, scholar, St Columb
Edward do., son, 2, St Columb

Bertha d/o George and CAROLINE Polkinghorne bp. 23rd September 1866 Truro, St George's

This is obviously all the same family yet George has aged five years and Caroline's name is now Catherine!

But then this makes me wonder what her name really was?

Remember that she was CATE in the 1851 Census.

Now - Caroline's father is named as 'Phinees' when she married but I cannot find anyone of that name in IGI so I am going to have to try and track him down in earlier Census records.

I need to find him to determine just who George Polkinghorne's wife was.

CT

BTW - in 1881 the family is still at St Columb.
George's wife is CAROLINE again but now says she was born at Buckfastleigh, Devon about 1823.

And there is one further child - Lillie age 3 born St Columb.

[emilyc]

Maybe the name changing thing is a family thing as Mary seems to like to change her name from time to time to Jane. Very intersting about the marraige thing, But that could be were the name lily came from as she then had a daughter named lily.

[rlt]

Wow. I thought I would drop by and see if anyone read my post. And I see that a whole new page of posts are here . Well thanks to all you folks for you input. I will lay out what I know as facts (I think) thanks mostly to Dorothy H.

Edward Traher b abt 1750
Elizabeth Ann Woolcock b abt 1751
married 1 Oct 1781
Edward Benbow Traher b 8 Sept 1782
Hopson Traher B 1784
Hopson Woolcock Traher b 1786
Elizabeth Traher b 1774

Edward Benbow Traher b8 Sept 1782
Grace Nicholas
married 22 Jul 1802
Edward Traher b 1 Jun 1803
Elizabeth Traher b 12 Apr 1805

Hopson Woolcock Traher 1786
Mary Yelland b 1783
married 7 Apr 1810
William Yelland Traher b 1810
Edward Traher b 1811
Mary Ann Traher b 1813
Christian Traher b 1815
Elizabeth Trahe b 1816
Hopson Traher b 1817
Stephen Woolcock Traher b 1823
Christian Traher b 1824
Susan Traher b 1825
Richard James Traher b 1827
Christian Traher b 1832

Edward Traher b 1 Jun 1803
Jane Underwood b
married 16 Aug 1827
Mary Ann Traher b 21 Jan 1828
Edward John Traher b 1831

Elizabeth Traher 12 Apr 1805
William James b 1802
married 6 May 1823
I did not expand their children since they were not Traher's

William Yellan Traher b 1810 (Royal Navy)
Harriett Bowden b 1811
married
William Bowden b1835
Elizabeth Bowden

Hopson Traher b 1817
Elizabeth b 1819
m ?
E Jan Traher b 1851
William Stephen Traher b 1853

Stephen Woolcock Trahar b 1823
Mary Ann Hill b 1822
married 6 Apr 1845
Stephan Trahar b 1846
William Trahar b 1848
Richard Trahar b 1850
Mary E Trahar b 1853
Edwin Trahar b 1855
John Trahar b 1858

Christian Traher b 1824
? Stephen
married ?
William Stephen
Henry Stephen

Richard James Traher b 1827 moved family to AU 1854
Emily Jones b 1838
married 1853
Richard Traher b 14 Aug 1855 AU
Emily Traher b 1857 AU
William Traher b 1859 AU
Mary Traher b 1859 AU
Edward Traher b 1860 AU
Jane Traher b 1861 AU
Mary Traher b 1864 AU
Mary Traher b 1867 AU

I have downloaded a 1861 UK census page from Ancestry UK with Mary Ann Traher (this is the spelling on the census form) and it shows her listed as the head. She has 6 children all born in Perranarworthal. Registration district Falmouth, Sub-reg Mylor. Matches what I was provided by Dorothy.
Mary Ann Traher abt b1850 age 40
Stephen Traher b abt 1846 age 15
Wm (William) Traher b abt 1848 age 13
Rd (Richard) b abt 1851 age 10
Mary E Traher b abt 1853 age 8
Edwin Traher b abt 1855 age 6
John Traher b abt 1858 age 3

Also a 1861 UK census with
Hopson Traher b abt 1820 age 42
Elizebath Traher age 37
William Traher b abt 1853 age 8

I have downloaded a 1880 US Census taken in Nanticoke, Luzerne, Pennsylvania (US)
William Traher b abt 1850 England
Mary Traher b abt Mar 1850 England
m I think is 1869; they traveled to the US in 1868 and settle in Nanticoke
Joseph Traher b 4 Nov 1870 US
Thomas Traher b 3 Nov 1877 US
Emma Traher b 1879 US

I have downloaded a 1900 US Census taken in Nanticoke, Luzerne, Pennsylvania (US)
William Traher b abt 1850 England age 50
Mary Strout b abt Mar 1850 England age 50
Thomas Traher b 3 Nov 1877 age 22
Emma Traher b 1879 age 20
Stephen J Traher b 11 Jun 1882 age 18
William Traher B 1 Mar 1883 age 16
Fredrick Traher b 2 Nov 1885 age 14
Herbert Traher b 6 Sept 1888 age 12
Vena Traher b 1893 age 6

My great, great great grandfather was not in this census and live somewhere else. He was a miner as his father was.

I also have downloaded a 1910- US census form with
William Traher b abt 1848 (age 62)
Mary Traher b abt 1850 (age 60)

This I have from birth records:
William Traher b abt 1850 England
Mary Strout b abt Mar 1850 England
Joseph Traher b 4 Nov 1870
Thomas Traher b 3 Nov 1877
Emma Traher b 1879
Stephen J Traher b 11 Jun 1882
William Traher B 1 Mar 1883
Fredrick Traher b 2 Nov 1885
Herbert Traher b 6 Sept 1888
Vena Traher b 1893

I provided so much data because people seem to get lost with all the same names. Hopson is an example. I have also seen records of the same people with different spellings (ie Trahar/Traher). I generally download the exact census form and look at it. Some are very clear others I don't know how they read them. These people need to go back to school and work on their penmanship.

I have just recently have been provided with the name:
William Keast Traher who married Jane Polkinghorne
So I am still looking where this person fits in. I never saw it in any record I have.

Well if you read all this you are probably at least a year older. Let know if I left anything out.

Russ

[Cornish Terrier]

G'day Russ - a couple of things from a quick look at your data then I will try and do a bit more a little later on today.

William Keast TRAHAR was born in the Falmouth Registration District in 1847 (June Qtr Vol 9 Page 83)

I would suggest his parents were Stephen Woolcock TRAHAR and Mary Ann HILL.

The reason I suggest this is that I believe the parents of Mary Ann HILL will be:-

Thomas HILL, sojourner, widower, married Elizabeth KEASTE, spinster 17th September 1820 at Perranarworthal by Banns
Witnesses:- James May and William Richards

Mary Ann HILL bp. 3rd March 1822 Perranarworthal d/o Thomas (nail maker) and Elizabeth HILL of Bessow

Stephen Woolcock TRAHAR, bachelor, iron moulder of Greenwith Common (son of Hopson Trahar) married Mary Ann HILL, spinster of Greenwith Common (daughter of Thomas Hill, nail maker) 6th April 1845 at Perranarworthal
Witnesses:- Ralph Stephens and Drusilla Keast

Now the problem with Jane Polkinghorne is that she was born and married as 'Mary Jane' yet changed between Mary and Jane during the Census.

William Keast Trahar was born too early to have been her husband based on what Census records I have found where they were both at home.

I believe it was the son of the younger Hopson TRAHAR who married Mary Jane Polkingorne.

CT

[emilyc]

I also think that William was 1852 son Hopson and Eliza Trahar. I Think all others are exausted and he looks to be the most likely now, and I think i'm safe enough now to put the lid on it and start tracing them back. Emily

[Cornish Terrier]

Good work Emily.

I think you are safe so work from there and see what turns up.

Let me know how you are going and just let me know if you get stuck and I will see what I can do.

CT

[emilyc]

I have found this though:
FreeCen has a TRAER family at Killigrew St, Falmouth in 1841-
William 36 not born in Cornwall
Marianne 30 "
James 8 Cornwall (This is James Reeves TRAER, christened 1833 at Truro)
Ellen 3 "

If this family had a son William around 1850, they could be the people i'm looking for. Unfortunately I cant find the parents in the 1851 census.
William the father could perhaps be the one born to William TRAER and Mary at Exeter, Devon in 1806, with siblings Jane 1807, Mary 1804 and Leopold George Frederick 1816.

In 1851 James R Traer is 18 and a medical student. Ellen 13 lives with James at Exeter St, Sidwe, Devon.
James Reeves Traer married a Louisa H Savage in 1856 and lived at Middlesex,
Marianne died at Lewisham in 1890.
But to be Honest I don't think this is right and i thought maybe the parents aren't around as their young daughter is living with her brother.

[Cornish Terrier]

I have just had a look for possible births for Mary STROUT.

It is most interesting that from 1846 to 1852 there are only two births registered in England for that name.

Mary STROUT - Bodmin R.D. 1847

Mary Peter STROUT - Launceston R.D. 1852

Vatiations of the name might complicate things but as a starting point I would be looking at the first of these.

And another interesting point is that between 1865 and 1870 there are NO registrations of marriage for Mary STROUT in England.

CT

[emilyc]

Oh and i was looking at George Polkinghorne an i found another name Kate, did you come across Kate Seems thike they werebeing very sneeky.