This John Curnow born 1863 is probably John baptized 1 Nov 1863 Pendeen son of Joseph Curnow & Hannah Eddy originally of Zennor, given that this John Curnow & wife Jane Angwin are on Sheet 3 of ED 177 Gilpin Colorado in 1900 census; the widow of that John's brother Joseph, Elizabeth (Prowse), is on Sheet 5 with various of her children including Lilly; and the re-married widow of that John's brother Andrew, Elizabeth nee Matthews, is on Sheet 6, with children Pauline etc. & Prowse step-child.
This would mean John Curnow & Jane Angwin/Williams were old neighbours from Boscaswell.
Edit 20 February 2014: no...... see thread "John Curnow 1863 who married Mrs Jane Angwin 1889 Colorado".
Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 5, 2012 14:04:03 GMT -5
That then makes him John Henry Curnow!
Allowing for his age being accurate there are three possible John Curnows with births registered in the September Qtr of 1863. There is also one in the March Qtr and another in the December Qtr 1863 in the Penzance R.D. whilst another was born in Devon in the March Qtr and I think can probably be eliminated.
In fact I have enough information in my database to also eliminate the other two in March and December which leaves just the three in the September Qtr to consider.
Of these I eliminated one earlier today. John son of James and Ann Curnow bp. 29th November 1863 at Perranuthnoe was still in Cornwall in 1891 with wife Rosina (nee Mitchell) whom he married in Devon in 1885.
And just now I have eliminated:-
John son of Alice Curnow of St Ives bp. 28th October 1863 St Ives (born 16th August 1863)
A sudden halt in breathing eliminated him! ;D He was buried 23rd December 1863 at St Ives age 4 months. I believe his mother was the daughter of Robert Richard Curnow and his wife Jane Dunn (nee Trevorrow) and she married John Daniel at St Ives in 1889.
Not quite got my head around this little lot yet but.......Jane Williams and John Angwin 's marriage was witnessed by John Williams and T Bennetts...... A Thomas Bennetts married Rebecca Furze, sister-in-law to Elizabeth Williams who was 'Cousin Jack' and my g-g-mother.
So, James Williams might be in my blood line after all ;D
Last Edit: Mar 8, 2012 16:56:00 GMT -5 by tonymitch
Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 8, 2012 23:51:35 GMT -5
Tony - I can't quite see how James Williams might be related simply because 'a' Thomas Bennett married Rebecca Furze who happened to have a sister-in-law named Elizabeth Williams.
First of all the marriages were sixteen years apart but then the husband of Rebecca Furze could not write and signed his name with a mark. The 'T Bennetts' who witnessed the marriage of John Angwin and James Williams signed his name quite clearly and the 'T' might have been Thomas, Timothy, Theophilus or even Thirza or Tryphena for that matter.
That is not to say that you have no connection to James Williams but I think you need a slightly larger straw to grab at.
Whoa There CT......I said MIGHT ......So the husband of Rebecca (T Bennetts) couldn't write. Neither could my G-G mother Mary Oats on her wedding, yet eleven years later in beautiful 'copper pate' handwriting she signs the flyleaf of a book.....I was merely drawing folk's attention to a coincidence.
You might remember that in the dim and distant past I started this thread by asking if anyone knew of James as I couldn't find him in my Williams line, yet there was somewhere a link. The link turned out to be a marriage 'twixed Furze and Angwin. Now I find a T Bennetts cluttering up the applecart.....(Du-di-du-di-doo.....Sound effects now, producing aetherial and spooky music). ;D
By the way for the sake of accuracy, I believe Tryphena to be a woman's name.
Last Edit: Mar 9, 2012 19:57:09 GMT -5 by tonymitch
Are you discusing the John Williams that married Elizabeth Bosence, who's daughter married great grandpa Wiliam? Here is all I have on this union:
Birth 1790 14 Mar Sancreed, St Just In Penwith, Cornwall England 14-Mar Year 1790 Parish Or Reg District Sancreed Forename Elizabeth Surname BOSSENCE Sex Father Forename Uter Mother Forename Grace
Marriage to John Williams 1815 15 Apr Age: 25 Sancreed, Cornwall, England 5-Apr Year 1815 Sancreed John WILLIAMS St Buryan Groom Signed/Marked(S/M)S Elizabeth BOSENCE Bride Residence OTP Signed/Marked(S/M)M Witness Uter Bosence Witness George Hosken
A question, CT, about James Williams' mother. I don't know how to cut and paste from a previous post, but I am referring to your post about Nancy Ellis Williams being the daughter of Peter Ellis and Loveday Hill. I just found a record indicating that their daughter, Nancy, died in 1884 in Kamarooka, Victoria, Australia.
I did find two first marriages about a year apart for women named Nancy both with fathers named Peter Ellis on the OPC. Since the mother of James Williams was alive and well and working in Cornwall in 1901 with daughters Margaret M and Mary (soon to be wife of John Thomas Stamp) members of her household, I suspect that the Nancy Ellis in our topic was the daughter of Peter Ellis and Margaret Davy and that the Nancy Ellis who was the daughter of Peter and Loveday married Henry Davy. I do notice the name "Davy" being repeated, so perhaps the two Peters were also related.
What do you think?
I say 2 Peters as Peter and Margaret's childfrens' births are interspersed with those of Peter and Loveday-- thus not a second marriage.
Last Edit: Feb 22, 2014 23:38:05 GMT -5 by zibetha
Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 23, 2014 8:40:20 GMT -5
Hi Zib, The Victorian Pioneers Index certainly shows that a Nancy Williams died at Kamarooka, Victoria in 1884. Nancy was age 59 (born around 1825) and parents listed in the Death Record are Peter ELLIS and Lovedy HILL.
Post by garycmeyer on Sept 11, 2019 15:55:10 GMT -5
I see it has been a while since anyone has been on this thread but I hope someone is still monitoring it. I am helping a friend with her ancestry. Her name is JoAnne Foster nee Williams. She was born and raised in Colorado and her grandfather was James Williams Sr. Her father was James Williams Jr. I believe this is the James Williams Sr that has been discussed extensively in this thread. She is very interested in learning about her Williams ancestry.
We are still here I am only connected to this family distantly but was fascinated but this thread. I had a (non-Cornish) set of great-grandparents who returned to Europe for an extended stay to visit family, and they both died there. That was how I tripped across State Department correspondence related to the death of a US citizen abroad. I then thought to look for similar paperwork for James Williams.
I've taken another read-through and have found a 1900 marriage between James and Christiana Semmens that would match the 1900 census for James and "Chrissie." I was "saving" the 1910 Census that looked to be the same James but with a wife, Edith. I was not sure if it was the same man as he was not the only James Williams in the area, but in both records the occupation was mining at a supervisory level. Would that correspond to your findings?
Post by garycmeyer on Sept 12, 2019 10:21:17 GMT -5
Zib, thanks for the response. I believe the 1900 and 1910 Census you point to are for the same James. I happened to notice that Edith (Noble) that is married to James on the 1910 Census lived just a few doors down from him as shown on the 1900 Census. Since James and Edith got married abt 1902, his first marriage was less than two years. I can't find any record yet of what happened to Chrissie.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 12, 2019 16:10:03 GMT -5
Christiana Williams filed for Divorce against her husband James Williams and the Decree was granted in the Gilpin County Court on August 16th 1901. The record states that Christiana resumed her maiden name of Semmens.
The record can be found in the FamilySearch Collection - Colorado Statewide Divorce Index, 1900-1939
Christiana's surname has been transcribed as SEAMENS but unfortunately there is no provision in this record as yet to allow editing. Although it is not the clearest image I have ever seen the name is clearly Semmens and not Seamens as transcribed!