Thomas Quick of Towednack and Mylor

[Cornish Terrier]

Time to reopen another old but very brief discussion to see if any answers might be forthcoming.

Thomas QUICK, widower, son of William married Elizabeth PHILLIPS, widow, daughter of Thomas MAY 21st July 1853 at Mylor

I have found the first marriage for Elizabeth and also her baptism.

But it is Thomas QUICK who is of interest. (of course!)

From Census records I found that he was born at Towednack about 1805 and from that I know that he was the son of William QUICK and Elizabeth HOLLOW.

And, perhaps unusual for Towednack, Thomas was a master mariner.

All that is known about his first marriage is that there was a daughter - Catherine Smith QUICK - born at St Ives in 1841. (ref. Census and FreeBMD)

I have so far been unable to find any trace of that first marriage or any hint of the name of the first wife and the only possible clue is the use of the name Smith as a middle name for Catherine.

The 1841 Census has so far yielded no trace of the family and with Catherine's birth registered in the March Qtr of that year I would have expected to find her with her mother at least.

Unless the mother died at or soon after childbirth.

Putting on the thinking cap I decided to contact Newlyn to see if she might be able to find some trace of a marriage for Thomas based on all information currently available to me.

No record of a marriage for a Thomas QUICK to anyone named SMITH could be found - but there was the following most interesting item:-

The nearest I can find is from the Glamorgan records.

Thomas Quick born St Ives married Elizabeth Hogg born Cardiff.
They married 14.1.1832 Cardiff St John, Glamorgan.

I have tried to look for Elizabeth Hoggs parents in case her Mums
maiden name was Smith but no luck.

At this stage I suspect that this may be yet another Thomas QUICK from St Ives - but more of that shortly.

First of all - here is what I wrote back to Newlyn:-

If nothing else it gives us another Quick from St Ives to help fill in a bit of one of the pictures! :-)

Just finished watching Rawhide and was thinking about a particular Census record from 1851 that I am not sure I have ever been able to make much sense of.

Thomas Mitchel, head, mar, 42, pilot, born Feock
Jane do., wife, mar, 35, born Egloshayle
Mary do., daur, 6 months, born Feock

The above are 'schedule no 10' and the very next entries for 'schedule no 11' are:-

Grace QUICK, neice, unm., 21, house keeper, born Towednack
Catherine do., daur, unm., 10, scholar, born St Ives

Hmmm - it is coming back to me now!

We worked out that there was no Grace Quick born at Towednack around 1829/30 but there WAS Grace Quick Trewhella.

And Grace Quick Trewhella was definitely a neice of the Thomas Quick in Question.

Now I don't think there is any way that the Mitchel family in the previous household are connected.

But Grace and Catherine 'could' be living in the household of Thomas Quick who, being a mariner, might be at sea and might also have been widowed by this time.
In other words, Grace may have been literally 'house keeping' and looking after Thomas' daughter Catherine while he was away.

Another thing is that if Catherine was born in the March Qtr of 1841 she should surely have been found in the 1841 Census.
And it also seems as if she may have been the only child which means it may be worth looking at deaths around that early part of 1841.
Although I would have thought Thomas would have re-married earlier than 1853 had he been widowed so early.

More to ponder on.
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I would like any thoughts or, in particular, any help that might drift my way with this one.

More to follow regarding this and also regarding the marriage of Thomas Quick to Elizabeth Hogg - if I can find anything!

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

A fiarly brief look around England and Wales in the 1841 and 1851 Census and I cannot seem to find either Thomas and Elizabeth or Thomas and his unknown wife with daughter Catherine.

Must get some sleep now and will attempt to find something more a little later today.

What I can offer for now is:-

In 1861 Thomas Quick with his second wife Elizabeth and daughter Catherine S Quick were at Devoran, Feock.

Thomas was age 56, master mariner, born Towednack.

Also in 1861 there was a Thomas Quick, master, age 56, married, born Towednack - listed "vessels" but unfortunately the name of the ship was not recorded but the Town was given as Restronguet.

I suspect this may be the same man but ...

In 1871 Thomas Quick was a widower, age 67, retired mariner, born Towednack. He was boarding at the New Inn, Devoran, Feock.

Thomas died in 1872 at the age of 66, Truro R.D.

CT

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CT

Also in 1861 there was a Thomas Quick, master, age 56, married, born Towednack - listed "vessels" but unfortunately the name of the ship was not recorded but the Town was given as Restronguet.

It was the 74T brigatine "Exchange" from St Ives. I think we have been here before?

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Lannanta - I know we have been at least part of the way with this one before but have not searched through all the theads to find the discussion.

But I do not recall mention of the Brigantine 74T named 'Exchange'.

And I am sure the marriage of Thomas Quick and Elizabeth Hogg has not surfaced before.

Curiouser and Curiouser.

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

There are obviously two ways to help solve at least part of this problem.

1. Locate the baptism of Catherine Smith Quick which would give us a clue to the mother's name. (hopefully)

2. Purchase the birth certificate.

This would either (possibly) confirm that Elizabeth Hogg was the first wife of the Thomas Quick in question or else tell us that we are dealing with two separate Thomas Quicks.

If it were the latter then I have two or three possible candidates.

I would prefer to locate the baptism as I certainly cannot afford to be buying certificates.

And I am certainly NOT advocating that anyone else should spend the money!!

In due course something will be found to answer this problem but at the moment it is possibly more of an 'annoyance' than anything drastically important.

It is just one of those little mysteries that I would like to tidy up but there are more important items to deal with.

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Morning CT

But I do not recall mention of the Brigantine 74T named 'Exchange'.

If I remember correctly, and it may have been by PM, the details of the vessel appeared on the Cornwall Census site and not Ancestry. Certainly we have not discussed Ms Hogg.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Thanks Lannanta - I need to read through the entire Quick discussions again as well as all my PMs to make sure I have missed nothing.

But I did have another look at the original of that Census and there is nothing written where there is provision for vessel name or port.

CT

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CT

But I did have another look at the original of that Census and there is nothing written where there is provision for vessel name or port.

Try this link:
freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kayhin/61563a.html

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Lannanta - that is interesting but is a transcription and it appears quite obvious that the page it was transcribed from is not the 'original' page I have been viewing.

And that, of course, suggests another copy.

CT

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I am reasonable happy that the marriage between Thomas Quick and Elizabeth Hogg was the one that later produced their daughter Catherine Smith Quick. There is a good clue in the baptism of one Thomas William Quick at St Ives on the 31st March 1833 stating that the father, Thomas, was a mariner. I have also found a number of the Quick family in Wales, especially seafaring folk.

However, it is reasonably concering not to be able to find any other children between the one mentioned above and Catherne Smith Quick later in 1841. Also, I cannot find Thomas William in the census although I see that there was a death for a Thomas William Quick in 1839 in the Penzance District.

I also noted that there was additional personal information on the marriage entry for Thomas and Elizabeth Hogg in Glamorganshire but I do not know how to access that easily - if at all.

Lannanta

[newlyn]

I have seen the original record and Catherine Smith Quick was born in the first quarter of 1841.
Volumne 9 page 707 from what I can make out.
No record of mothers surname.
Hmmmmm!

[Cornish Terrier]

Lannanta - I am not sure what to make of this yet.

You may well be right about the marriage and the connection to Thomas William Quick.

It would certainly be a massive help if we could find the family in 1841 and also if we could find Thomas in 1851.

I will need to think more on this.

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Hi Newlyn

I have seen the original record and Catherine Smith Quick was born in the first quarter of 1841.
Volumne 9 page 707 from what I can make out.
No record of mothers surname.
Hmmmmm!

Have you seen the original of the marriage for Thomas and Elizabeth Hogg? I found the entry on "Find My Past" and it gave the marriage at Cardiff St John on the 14th January 1832, and there was a note saying that the marriage entry contained further personal information. There was a link to the Glamorganshire Family History web page but I could not see how I could access that information.

CT, given that Catherine is in Feock with what looks like an aunt or cousin (Grace), I am suggesting that Thomas was at sea during that census.

Lannanta

[newlyn]

Hello Lannanta
I can't get in to see the original but in the notes it said ' personal detail in the register,
by licence, witnesses named'.
I have also tried to get into the Glamorganshire web site but no luck.

For anyone elses information they have unwanted BMD certificates that you can access and buy for £2 each.

Newlyn

[Gwinowan]

Ho Ho Ho!

Greetings from England. This must be a 'Quick' reply. I believe I hold the key to this puzzle, and without drawing it out any longer (you've waited six years...). Elizabeth Hogg baptised in 1813 at Sully, Glamorgan was daughter of William Hogg and CATHERINE. Further work shows that the only obvious marriage was a year or two earlier in Bristol. The bridegroom was William HOGG and the bride was .......
(drumroll)....
Catherine SMITH (1785-1818).

If only this was the end of the matter. There was another couple in Sully of note, William SMITH (1782-1814) and his wife Jennet HOGG. I believe the Smiths to be siblings, with a common mother, Catherine REES (SMITH) 1754-1814, who married 1780 in Wales to William SMITH senior (of Mevagissey Cornwall). Unfortunately William dies in August/ September 1781 leaving a posthumous son. It is anyone's guess how and where Catherine SMITH (1785-1818) came into the world. William HOGG remarried to Caroline VAUGHAN whose will was proved at Llandaff 1845, and whose son Florance HOGG was some kind of mariner, being much younger (half-)brother-in-law of Thomas QUICK.

I definitely descend from Catherine REES (SMITH)'s younger half-sister, who were solidly Welsh. Her son was certainly William SMITH (1782-) who was worn nearly to death by administering the estate of his philandering wealthy, married, uncle William COOK, and who presumably settled at Sully. His relationship to Catherine SMITH (1785-1818) is decidedly not proven.

I would like to see the Clifton GLS registers for the SMITH/HOGG marriage and the Cardiff St John GLA registers for the HOGG/QUICK marriage.

A very interesting thread which I stumbled on, which almost, but not quite resolves my mysterious Catherine SMITH (1785-1818). Thank you!

David

PS The 1841 census for Newcastle shows: William SMITH 50 (born Scotland), Thomas QUICK 37 captain, Elizabeth 26, John 5, Catharine 10mo (all stated 'b Nthbld'). All fits except the puzzling presence of SMITH! (Unless we are all wrong and Smith was actually Thomas's father-in-law).
* John was NOT baptised St Dunstan, Stepney 1835 as this John (whilst son of a mariner) is living with another Thomas and Elizabeth, in Mile End Old Town, 1841.
* Catherine Smith Quick dies 1919 it seems at Bodmin asylum, a retired governess, according to 1911 census.
* Elizabeth (HOGG) QUICK most likely buried 29 Sept 1843 St Ives age 29 (of St Ives) unless someone has already mapped this burial to another lady?
* I'm pretty sure William SMITH, agent in Newcastle 1841 was the William SMITH, victualler in Brigg Market 1851, and who had married Mary PIPKIN, Newcastle 1841 in the intervening time. Perhaps he was in fact a younger brother of Catherine SMITH (HOGG) (1785-1818), and thus she bore no relationship to the other SMITH/HOGG couple of Sully. Either way there is a coincidence somewhere...