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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 19, 2009 6:53:52 GMT -5
I am just home from a meeting so my responses and ideas might be a little abstract at the moment. Some good possibilities have been mentioned and it seems obvious that the name Branwell should be a link to the father. And the use of the name as 'Honor Branwell' might also seem significant. But I think when it comes to the names of female children in cases of illegitimacy it might be a little less straightforward as with males. The father 'may have been' the son of Honor Branwell with this name some sort of pointer. And the father may have been a 'Branwell' with the name Honor coming from somewhere else. But Susan Carter herself may have been the daughter of Honor Branwell who married a Carter. Another possibility might be that Honor Branwell was merely a close friend, nurse, aunt or someone else who was close to Susan Carter. We must also remember to look at BraMwell as well as BraNwell here. Let's not also forget that this started with the search for John Richards and his clan! Not trying to 'bail out' but there are two sides of this problem to be dealt with. And I am still a little intrigued with the Noall connection. (I will think more about the Carter side of things once my head clears a little!) But I would like to add here that I am not totally convinced of the link back to the marriage of John Richards to Mary Noall in this case. I think it may be a little too far back to explain the fact that John and Mary named a daughter Margaret Noall Richards. Even more peculiar that she was 'Margaret' rather than 'Mary' so I think there may be another link or another lineage involved somewhere. With more to do I will await thoughts and feedback on this one.
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Post by londoner on Jun 19, 2009 7:31:00 GMT -5
I think the use of the Branwell name is important considering the prominence of the family in Penzance. Although there are cases where the N becomes M on the whole BraMwell is a north country name.
Although Honor's father may well have been from further afield, I am not convinced. Crowan is about as far as I might look - as there was an Honor Branwell Edmonds d/o Jon & Catherine (nee Branwell) b 1803
It would be fascinating to know how Susan met Malachi Hingston - considering he was so much older than her. were there any witness details to the marriage?
I'll leave the Noall side of things to you.
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Post by HeatherC on Jun 19, 2009 8:05:04 GMT -5
Hello again Found more mentions of the RICHARD's family Best regards HeatherC RICHARDS Samuel James born 1859, died 14 June 1929 aged 70. Brother of Susan Carter RICHARDS and Grace Hingston DUNN. RICHARDS Susan Carter born 1850, died 21 November 1915 aged 65. Sister of Grace Hingston DUNN and Samuel James RICHARDS
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 19, 2009 10:04:10 GMT -5
Londoner - I only have the marriage details from CFHS so do not know who the witnesses might have been but I agree that it would be interesting to know. At the moment I am only throwing in possibilities and things to think about just to keep everyone's mind open until something more substantial turns up. I will try to look at and think a bit harder about the problem over the next few days. Might also have to check a few more old notes and threads because I am beginning to think that I have had other dealings with the Bra?well name. May have been to do with one of Malcolm's queries so would be looking at Penzance/Madron area I think. But then the Carter family (apart from involvement with Johnny Cash ) were more a Breage family. Heather - thankyou for those further details which I am sure will be of help and interest to Snydly. CT
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Post by londoner on Jun 19, 2009 10:24:22 GMT -5
Indeed there is a Davy connection because Elizabeth Ann Tremewan d/o Nicholas & Elizabeth (sister of Frances who m RM Branwell - see my previous) married Humphry Davy (in 1839 Buryan) s/o William Davy & Ann Vinnicombe.
BTW Meetings are not good for you! Presumably they take place, like the cricket club in winter, in the pub! ;D
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Post by snydly on Jun 19, 2009 18:55:49 GMT -5
Thanks to all of you ... I can sense the excitement in your words as you tag team the problem to a solution ;D
Just wait until you hear the other relations in my family ... Toy, Trevarthen, Fry, Baragwanath, Williams to name a few.
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Post by snydly on Jun 19, 2009 20:57:03 GMT -5
A couple things for you all to consider. Please go to this website where someone has researched the Hingston's extensively over the generations. www-civ.eng.cam.ac.uk/cjb/hingston/hm.htmIn generation 5 you find this information: 11. MALACHI HINGSTON. Malachi was baptized in St. Ives on 17 Nov 1765, the son of 7. Malachi Hingston and Mary (Rose). Buried on 23 Mar 1849 in St. Ives, aged 84. On 14 Mar 1790 when Malachi was 25 (and described as Capt. Malachy), he married, firstly, SARAH STEVENS, in St. Ives. Born ca 1762. Sarah died in 1821 and was buried on 26 Dec; she was 59. In the 1841 census he is described as age 75, a shoemaker, living at Court Cocking, St Ives, and surrounded by his second family. They had the following children: * ELIZABETH STEVENS HINGSTON. Baptized in St. Ives on 20 Feb 1793. * SARAH HINGSTON. Baptized in St. Ives on 14 Nov 1794. Buried on 23 Sep 1796 in St. Ives. * MALACHY HINGSTON. Buried on 7 Oct 1796. * 15. MALACHY HINGSTON. On 30 May 1829 when Malachi was 64, he married, secondly, SUSAN CARTER, in St. Ives. Born ca 1807 in Germoe. Susan died on 16 Feb 1882, she was 75. They had the following children: * HONOUR HINGSTON. Born ca 1830 in St. Ives. Honour married John RICHARDS. Born ca 1828 in St. Ives. (not with her father in 1841 census) * JOHN HINGSTON. Baptized in St. Ives on 9 Sep 1831. * GRACE HINGSTON. Born ca 1834. Buried on 12 Nov 1843 in St. Ives, aged 9. I hope this helps a little ... but as you have found Honor Hingston is Honor Branwell Carter from your research.
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Post by snydly on Jun 22, 2009 10:07:52 GMT -5
Recently I have talked to my mother about the Richards Side of the family, and she shared with me an aspect of our oral history of our family. She mentioned that when she was young she was told that we are related to the Bronte family through the Branwell's. I had been holding onto this tid bit of information hoping a connection could be made easily with the Parish Records. Of course as my research and your research progressed I found it would be very difficult especially when dealing with an illegitimate child aka Honor Branwell Carter. I hope this information helps force a connection or firm possibilites with the information you currently have available.
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Post by HeatherC on Jun 22, 2009 17:22:50 GMT -5
Edward Webb (Nov. 5, 1870 - March 7, 1962) My direct Relation Bearing in mind that your direct relation held the second given name of WEBB this may be a pointer to the parents of Susan Carter mother of Honor Branwell Carter. Susan Carter's place of birth is given as Germoe and I have found this Marriages Germoe 28 March 1800, Jeffery CARTER of Germo, Tinner to Elizabeth WEBB of Germoe. Married after Banns. Witnesses Benganian Donn, John Williams. Your Edward could have been given his grandmother's maiden name of Webb? Best regards HeatherC
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Post by snydly on Jul 31, 2009 23:54:57 GMT -5
Bump ;D Any further conclusions to be made about the Carter/Branwell scenario?
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Post by snydly on Mar 2, 2011 1:02:22 GMT -5
Is their an online Transcribed version of the Germoe Parish registers that I can use to view the Baptism, Marriage and Burial records for Germoe?
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Post by sue on Mar 2, 2011 5:10:05 GMT -5
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 2, 2011 8:37:04 GMT -5
The second options is the better one Sue. The transcription you refer to is not complete so might get a little frustrating. But the Germoe records have been transcribed for the OPC site and as far as I know are complete. If not then let me know and I can do some lookups. CT
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