Look forward to any possible answer re Trewhillier.
Robert Snow Trewheeler
married 11/1/1839 British Chaplaincy, St Petersburg. In Kirill's tree wife is listed as Elena Voroncova but in the Chaplaincy she is named Helen Varantsoff. I hope this is only a mis-transliteration or the chaplain mishearing the pronounciation.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 27, 2010 9:25:33 GMT -5
After finding the previously posted marriages I did some more thinking and also read through all posts in this thread.
As a consequence I tried some more searches with some interesting results.
One thing that had been menioned in letters from Nicholas Trewheler was that Ann Trewheellar daughter of Richard and Martha (nee Snow) had married someone named CLARK in Russia.
But a search on the surname CLARK produced an unexpected result:-
James Truewheeler Clark born 7th February 1826 and baptised 18th October 1826 British Chaplaincy, St Petersburg, Russia
Parents were Charles and ELIZABETH Clark!
I have found eight children for Charles and Elizabeth between 1821 and 1839 with all baptised at the British Chaplaincy.
George Richard - 1822 (born 1821) Elizabeth MARTHA - 1824 James Truewheeler - 1826 Nichol Finlay - 1830 (born 1828) Jennett Helen - 1830 Grace - 1833 Edwin Charles - 1835 Ann - 1839
Question - do we have a previusly unknown daughter of Richard and Martha Trewheellar??
The use of the name MARTHA with the second child would certainly indicate the possibility.
But what I cannot understand is the name JAMES Truewheeler Clark.
James was not a name used in this branch of the Trewhella (sic.) families and that then makes me wonder whether Elizabeth, if she were a Trewhella, might be from elsewhere.
This seems unlikely however.
Another search that produced some interesting results was on the surname SNOW.
I searched this mainly because there was a note amongst my records suggesting 'his mother was a Miss Snow'. This was referring I believe to Richard Trewheellar whose grandmother was Martha Snow and whose mother has apparently been recorded as Anna Dorothea Henriette Berg.
However I searched out of curiosity and came up with the following all baptised at the British Chaplaincy, St Petersburg:-
John Truewhellar SNOW bp. 25th February 1815 s/o John Truewhellar Snow and Ann
Robert Trewhillar SNOW bp. 13th March 1817 s/o John Snow and Ann
Anne ... SNOW bp. 20th July 1819 d/o John Snow and Anne (Another unsourced record shows her as Ann Trewkeellar Snow)
And right here we have a rather peculiar problem!
My first thought when I saw these entries was that the formation of the names was very similar to that used in Chile where the maiden name of the mother is appended.
However if this were correct then (e.g.) Robert Truewhellar Snow would be Robert Truewhellar son of John Truewhellar and Ann (whose maiden name was Snow).
Perhaps this is where the above reference to 'Miss Snow' originated.
But as I have said - another record indicates that John Trewheellar's wife was Anna Dorothea Henriette BERG.
The obvious solution to the problem is that there is no problem at all and that Robert was actually the son of John SNOW.
At this point I do not believe that to be correct.
What I think right at this moment is that these three are actually children of John TREWHEELLAR.
Robert in 1817 would be about the right age to have been Robert Snow Trewheellar who married Helen Varantsoff in 1839.
According to notes in a letter from Nicholas Trewheler there were two daughters to John and Ann Trewheellar and the Ann above could logically have been one of those.
But the baptism of John indicates that John Coulter Trewheellar (born Kent 1813) must have died before the age of 2.
More information found .................. but a lot more thinking to be done!
I'm getting my information from the same sources as you - except Trewhillier, which dates back to the years where I put things aside without noting the source.
I'll take all that you have written here with me next week (from Monday) and pour over it while I'm in the rain on the West Coast. I'll be out of contact there too. 1200+ earthquakes so far, not that I've felt them all, but they are tiresome. The first big one was scary,- I live away from Christchurch and closer to the epicentre, some have been directly below!!!! - though surprisingly very little damage.
Hi CT There are at least five families SNOW in St Petersburg and these are perhaps the key ones.
George Snow - Sophia Harnack 1st child b1799 John Snow - Louisa Bulow 1st child b 1833 (Bulow is an aristocratic name) John Trewhellar Snow 1 st child b 17/1/1815
Also Charles Clark - Elizabeth apparently mar. 1821 and 1st child John Trewhellar Clark 1826.
I would assume first that the surnames are correct - it is unlikely that the church records would be false, but mistakes in transcription by LDS volunteers do happen (came across two people - died in Georgia, USA but buried in Georgia, USSR!). There is also the possibility that only the forenames of the wife were recorded in the church record. The use of Trewheellar (var.) as a second forename would probably indicate a family relationship - a commemoration of a direct line or to honour an uncle, aunt or in-law. With so many Snow families I would look for a relationship between Martha Snow and perhaps a brother or nephew in St Petersburg. Likewise with Charles Clark and the Trewheellar family. Of course it could be just due to close friendship of the families.
It boils down to that we have so little information bar the bare essentials recorded in the birth and marriage data. Until the marriage records of Wilhelm Heinrich and Johann Joseph Thureck have been traced and seen I believe there is little that we can do to. Our problems hinge on those records.
Have searched Erik Amburger data for all of these - no luck
But, note that Wilhelm and Anna Trewheller were married in Nicolajew in 1838 and Johann Thureck and Elizabeth T. had their first child, Emilie, also in Nicolajew in 1834. My hunch is that they are sisters! Perhaps they are the unknown daughters of John Simon, which I have had noted in my database for some time and thus were sisters of Robert Snow Trewheller. This is the same thought as you have had above, and it is my working hypothesis.
PS I believe there is an error in LDS IGI concerning the Heinrich's. They were married (1838) in Nicolajew, a city some 250 km from Sebastopol. Daughter Anna - born, died, and buried in Sebastopol. Elisabetha was born in "Simferopol, St Petersburg", but this is more likely to be Simferopol, a city some 50 km from Sebastopol.
This error is close to my hobbyhorse concerning LDS IGI as the city and state is added to the IGI record, perhaps automatically, AFTER the transcription of the church data - it is not part of the original.
If you go to this link you will see that there are certainly similar items available.
Anyway - to the quote.
This was translated for me by a German-born colleague at work several years ago and is taken from a letter written by Prof. Dr. E. Amburger in 1982.
(According to the ADDRES-KALENDAR 1845-54) John (Ivan Rodionovic) Trewhellar worked in Tula as a mechanic. He must have already been there for a very long time, the then Major General Richard Iv. T. is alleged to have been born in Tula in 1810. He and his brother William Frederick left the Institute for Wegeingenieure in 1829 as Engineer-Lieutenants, Robert Snow T. 1838. It gives still more brothers and sisters. His mother could have been a SNOW, from the family already in Russia at the end of the 18th Century. George S. was a shopkeeper in Petersburg and from 1797-1804 a member of the English Clubs, his wife was born Harnack. The son John (Ivan Egorovic), 1800-80, in 1830 became a citizen in Finnland (Villmanstrand) and was married to Luise Von Bulow. I would be very interested in the origin of John Trewheller and the time of his arrival in Russia.
So you see that this Adres-Kalendar 'showed still more brothers and sisters' and, of course, if this is the case then it would be most useful to us.
Also notice the quote "his mother could be a SNOW".
Although coming immediately after the name of Robert Snow T. I think the reference is actually to John Trewheller. That being the case then it is correct as his mother was Martha Snow.
But any connection between Martha and these other Snow families in Russia currently eludes me.
I know she was baptised at St Gluvias, Cornwall in 1764 and I know she was the daughter of Abraham and Martha Snow.
I also surmise that Martha may have been born Martha Kent but have been as yet unable to prove it.
And the marriage of Abraham and Martha also still eludes me.
But I do believe that the 'Trewheller Snow' records I quoted earlier are indeed 'Snow Trewheller'.
I agree that Anna Heinrich and Elizabeth Thureck may well be children of John and Anna Trewheller.
More work as I again read through collected data on this family.