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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 26, 2017 5:24:33 GMT -5
Following on from the above from one of my recent posts and I just came across the following marriage in an Ancestry Collection 'Pennsylvania, Marriages, 1709-1940' William TREWHELE and Elizabeth BEAT married 18th December 1777 Philadelphia, PA More and more curious! CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 27, 2017 0:54:23 GMT -5
I have now received further news from the Cemetery Committee at Pleasant Valley Cemetery, Vernon, BC including an obituary and a funeral notice. Paul von Weymarn died at the Vernon Jubilee Hospital Monday May 26 1975 at the age of 92 years. He was survived by wife Elizabeth and one son, George, and the Funeral Service was to be held in the chapel of the Vernon Funeral Home Ltd. Wednesday May 28 with cremation to follow. The Obituary states that son George and daughter-in-law Mary were of Norrahammar, Sweden and that there were three grandchildren and five great-grandchildren. No obituary has been found for Elizabeth but at least we do now know she was still alive in 1975. My contact in Vernon could find no record of Elizabeth's death in BC before 1995 so it is possible that she may have returned to Europe. With the information that George von Weymarn was in Sweden I have had a look at some indexed Swedish records on Ancestry and found a possible birth record for him. The collection is called Sweden, Births from the Swedish Death Index, 1901-2006 and shows that a Georg von Weymarn was born in Russia 15th May 1913. Given that the only information I have is that George was probably born after the 1908 marriage of his parents then this information is worth further investigation. I have also found a record showing that this same George von Weymarn left New York 29th July 1949 bound for Copenhagen, Denmark aboard Scandinavian Airlines System Inc. flight 2686/SK/912. Birthplace stated as Russia and Nationality as Norwegian. This is almost certainly the son of Paul and Elizabeth von Weymarn as I have also just found that this same Georg von Weymarn departed for New York 21st June 1949 aboard 'Gripsholm'. His stated Place of Origin was Norrahammar, Jönköping Län, Sverige. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 27, 2017 1:16:06 GMT -5
It seems that Elizabeth von Weymarn may indeed have left Canada after the death of her husband. I have also now found this:-
Elisabeth von Weymarn in the Sweden, Births from the Swedish Death Index, 1901-2006 Text-only collection
Name: Elisabeth von Weymarn Birth Date: 23 mar 1886 Birth Place: Ryssland (Russia) Source Information Ancestry.com. Sweden, Births from the Swedish Death Index, 1901-2006 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011. Original data: Sveriges Släktforskarförbund, comp. Sweden, Births from the Swedish Death Index, 1901-2006. Sweden. Description This database contains birth information of over 7.5 million individuals who died in Sweden between 1901 and 2006. The records include births from about 1800 to 2006. The data, comprising given name and surname, birth date and place of each person, is taken from the Swedish Death Index, 1901-2006 (Sveriges Dödbok 1901-2006), compiled by the Swedish Federation of Genealogical Associations (Sveriges Släktforskarförbund). Learn more...
CT
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Post by nzjohn1 on Sept 28, 2018 23:08:49 GMT -5
Hi CT
Been browsing lately but little food except this one.
ex newspaper "West Briton" 1 Nov 1850. Death. At Stoke Newington, near London the wife of Mr William Trewheels Esq.
probably Sarah Trewhella by my guess
NZJohn1
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 29, 2018 2:52:01 GMT -5
HI NZJohn1 - great to hear from you again! Yes, that was Sarah (nee Ruff) wife of William Trewheela of Stoke Newington. And on checking my database I see that I still need to find the marriage for her parents James and Elizabeth so that I can add a maiden name for her mother. I guess that if you have been browsing here you will have seen that dna testing proves a link between the Trewheellar family in NZ and Russia and my own? I hope to be in touch with you sometime in the near future (fire season permitting) to refine what information I have on the Russian and NZ families so that I can get that part of my database updated properly in preparation for identifying other dna matches. CT
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Post by nzjohn1 on Nov 3, 2018 5:14:07 GMT -5
Hi CT et al
some little puzzles and breakthroughs.
First Richard Barnes Trewheellar, the printer. The "Barnes" has always puzzled me, so after searching could he be named after the Reformationist Robert Barnes, who was martyred by Henry VIII? The second names of so many of Richard's relatives were also from dissenters' surnames. But there is also the Robert Barnes (+ family) who emigrated to NZ with (same ship) Richard's sister Martha Ann (Patty) Dakers. He set up a shop in Nelson and lived in the same street as Thomas Trewheellar, the sailor. If it is I haven't tracked him down in London yet for he was in Glasgow for the 1851 census, and two children were born there in the early 1850's.
Secondly: Nadia - the mysterious infant. She could have died before her father married Maria Koslyninova in 1840 as there seems to be no mention of her by the three half-siblings.
And Sophia Vasilievna -the younger sister in the Kiev painting. She married Fedor Aleksandrovich Ereinov, a very wealthy bureaucrat in transport. He and Sophia later took her brother Vladimir and Mother, and servant, into their house in St Petersburg after all Vladimir's funds ran out. Must have been late in the 1800's as it seems that Vladimir returned to Sochi and stayed there during the Revolution perhaps after the Mother's death in 1908. I gather that Fedor bought one of the grandfather Vasily's St P'burg houses. Sister Anna Chereminisov was married in Dom Samson, another of the houses.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 3, 2018 7:56:39 GMT -5
Hi NZJohn1
No, he was undoubtedly named for his uncle of the same name.
Richard Barns son of Richard and Martha Trewheelar was baptized at Plymouth St Andrew 16th June 1793. He died in 1823 and was buried at St Etheldreda, Hatfield, Hertfordshire 22nd August 1823 at the age of 30.
That would certainly discount the NZ connection so it is the origins of the earlier Richard's name that now comes into focus. Personally I would doubt he would have been named for the earlier Robert Barnes or he would have been named 'Robert Barnes Trewheeler' rather than Richard. I don't see any Barnes connection in Richard's family so perhaps the answer lies somewhere in Martha Snow's family. Richard had two short-lived sisters who were given the names Martha Tremelling (1787-1791) and Martha Tremellan (1795-1798) Trewheeler - undoubtedly for their grandmother Elizabeth Tremelling so that is a hint that the name may be connected to one of the families.
I have some catching up to do on the Russian side before I can place Nadia and Sophia. I am now trying to complete the Australian side of my updates so hopefully it won't be too long before I get to this family and I am sure I have some details on these girls tucked away in information from earlier discussions.
CT
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Post by nzjohn1 on Nov 4, 2018 17:13:15 GMT -5
Hi CT,
That is a sensible and logical reason for his name. The more I delved into that NZ Barnes family the further away from London I got. Though it would have been nice to have three close families coming out to NZ on the same boat.
Cheers
NZjohn1
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 4, 2018 23:41:52 GMT -5
No connection on that side unfortunately but it would still be interesting to discover the reason for Richard and Martha using the name. On the Y-DNA front we now have Kirill as a match! CT
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Post by chrish on Dec 5, 2019 10:42:44 GMT -5
For the information of the administrator I have just re-joined as chrish (formerly chrisjh )as I had lost my password and could not recover it as I have since changed my email address. Chris Hughes, distant relative of Sarah Jane Hughes and Olga Treweller.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 5, 2019 20:52:15 GMT -5
Welcome back Chris. Some time back via the FTDNA Y-Chromosome test the results showed that a common ancestor is shared by the Russian Trewheler family and my own Trewhella family. This tends to confirm what I have long suspected and means that the Trewhela families of South Africa and Chile and most other Trewella, Trewheela and Trewhella families share that link. Lots more work to do of course but that has been a very encouraging result. CT
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Post by chrish on Aug 14, 2020 9:42:59 GMT -5
I have recently had access to notes made by my aunt Maybel Perks, nee Hughes, who was a cousin to The elusive Olga Trewheller. She made these notes shortly before she died in 1976 and said that when the Trewheller family were fled to Oslo from the Bolshevic Revelotion, Olga (a young widow) went missing, never to be heard of again. It was assumed she became a victim of the revolution.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 14, 2020 20:56:10 GMT -5
Thanks Chris - and it is nice to hear from you again. Do you have any idea of who Olga might have married? CT
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Post by chrish on Aug 17, 2020 8:58:06 GMT -5
Unfortunately there is no further mention of Olga in my aunt's notes. She (aunt) seemed to have known many of these Russians as they often spent time in England. She says that Olga spent a year with them at one time, hence her appearing in the census living with her aunt Frances Hughes. My aunt got to know her very well at that time. She states that Olgas mother Sarah Jane (known as Jenny) was a lovely lady and loved by all. My aunt also knew Elizabeth (Lilly) Trewheller and her husband Paul Von Weymarn (her spelling) and says they had two children Nicky (presumably Nicholas) and Uri. I see that Yuri can mean George so that fits with what you have. Nicky was killed in WWII. Yuri married a Swedish girl and they had three children. She also says that Nicholas Trewheller the younger finished up in Ireland in Bracklyn, Co. Westmeath, in a small cottage with his faithful dog! He must later moved to Canada and died there as per your previous knowledge. I will see if I can de-cypher any more. NB these notes were written some time before Sept. 1976.
I can only think that "Olga Bouchier" is a red herring as it seems more than likely that Olga Trewheller, although she apparently had married, disappeared during the Russian Revolution.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 17, 2020 10:31:09 GMT -5
Hi Chris - the reference to Bouchier came from the marriage certificate of Anatole Trewheler, one of Olga's brothers, so it was my assumption that this may actually have been his sister. I will send you a copy of the certificate by email.
CT
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