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Post by nzjohn1 on Jun 29, 2013 18:12:47 GMT -5
Hi bmcfar, Spent a bit of time searching www and found this. web-static.vm.ee/static/failid/181/John_Hiden.pdfWerner was in Tallinn soon after the Kugelgen family returned from their exile. Also Werner's brother was a psychiatrist so for several reasons the two families may have known each other. I see that Helga was born in Sofia, Bulgaria. Cheers NZjohn1
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Post by nzjohn1 on Dec 31, 2014 4:27:33 GMT -5
Hi BMCFAR
I see it is some time has passed. In the meantime I have gained a copy of Zauberkraft Erinnerung Biographische Skizzen einer Baltin and am slowly translating some of it. I believe it was written by your grandmother or GGM. I am now a little confused over some of the dates of births and I think she was too. My difficulty is that she uses some family nicknames which I have not heard of.
Anyway after replacing my old computer and then dropping a new one on the concrete so smashing its screen and waiting for a replacement screen - after having a serious windstorm which damaged the house and destroyed much of my "retirement" fund; after a heavy snowstorm damaging my daughter's house and the consequent problems with insurance; after travelling around the country catching up with family and friends (which I will do again in Feb. including the NZ Trewheellar's); I think I can take up genealogy again.
Best wishes for New Year
Cheers
NZJohn1
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Post by chrisjh on Mar 5, 2017 4:00:10 GMT -5
To nzjohn, Kuril Cornish terrier and others. Hi. New member named Christopher James Hughes. I refer to posts in this thread from around March 2009. Researching my own history beyond what I remember from my mother, I came across Olga Trewheler aged 20 resident with her aunt Frances Hughes in Abingdon Berkshire in the 1901 census. I have been wondering how she got there for a long time since Frances Hughes was my paternal grandmother. My grandfather was Henry Hugget Hughes whose sister was Sarah Jane Hughes. I had no idea of the Russian connection until stumbling across this forum quite by accident the other day. The Rev.Harry George Hughes refered to as administering Nicholas's will was my uncle, my fathers elder brother. I will not be able to help with the Russian side at all and will betaking more than giving I'm afraid. It was great to see Harry the CatholicPriest a( known fact to me) name again as I had lost him in 1911. If I can be of any help at all please let meknow.
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Post by zibetha on Mar 5, 2017 19:32:00 GMT -5
I see my favorite thread has been awakened. It taught me much about my family and was quite a surprise to find when I first signed on here. I have just a bit to add. Regarding Thomas Trewheller/Trewheellar, son of Thomas T and Dinah Goodson, there is a memorial to him on Find A Grave that pictures his headstone. Some of the letters and numbers have fallen off, but if I read correctly, he was 57 years old which gives him a calculated year of birth of 1832. www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=162261403Secondly, from NZ John with regard to the Goodson family, I believe Susanna's husband was Thomas COKE (not Cope) Johns. Yes, he was a printer, and I had noted that he went to Russia in 1818 as part of the British and Foreign Bible Society when Czar Alexander I wanted to publish and distribute the Bible in Russian. Some of my notes/copies are in storage and on an older computer, but this is what I entered in my online tree. Thomas' father was Dr. Thomas Coke Johns. I do not know if they were related to or just named in honor of the first Methodist Bishop, Thomas Coke, born in Wales and originally ordained in the Church of England. Zib
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 6, 2017 5:00:24 GMT -5
It seems that I will have to find time to search through my data collections to find everything I need on these families. Unfortunately I have not yet managed to begin updating the families from new information collected over the last several years!
However - I can help a little regarding Olga Trewheler and her family. Her father was Nicholas Trewheler who served as a Naval Officer but he and his brother Anatole both held Commisions in the British Military. Anatole was married at the Register Officer at Paddington in 1930 and eventually settled in South Africa/Rhodesia where he died in 1956. Nicholas Trewheler died at Petrograd 23rd October 1914 and Sarah Jane (nee Hughes) apparently died in Oslo in 1926. Amongst the other children of Nicholas and Sarah was daughter Elizabeth who was born in Russia in 1886. She also married in England at the Croydon Register Office in 1908 to Paul Von Veymarn. The witnesses were her mother Sarah Jane and brother Anatole Trewheler.
CT
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Post by chrisjh on Mar 7, 2017 3:57:51 GMT -5
Having now spent many hour reading and re-reading this thread I feel that I have gained as much knowledge as possible about the Russian connection to te Hughes family of Lewes Sussex, with one exception. What happened to Olga Trewheller? Sarah Jane Hughes was my great aunt which makes Olga my 1st cousin once removed. Has anyone found out any more about her? Did she marry a Bouchier?
One point of interest I can add is a report in the Sussex Advertiser of Tuesday 9th Aptil 1878 which reads as follows-
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A LEWES LADY IN RUSSIA.
The following is an extract from a letter addressed to Mr. Councillor Huggett of Hastings by his niece(the daughter of the late Mr. Henry Hughes of Lewes)the wife of a Russian nobleman who is a lieutenant in the Czar's navy - "You wrote to me at a very exciting time, just when war was declared between Russia and Turkey. You asked me in that letter what was the general opinion in Russia concerning England. At that time it was very bad indeed, and continued so during the whole war, and since the English fleet entered the Dardanelles it has grown worse and worse. Certainly I am no competent judge where politics are concerned but even I begin to think the English Government behaves most strangely, not to use a stronger expression.If England did not wish Russia to gain anything by the war why did she allow the war to take place? Everyone says she could have prevented it. She has been dreadfully laughed at, and now it seems that is not enough but she must go to war, and as sure as fate will be shamefully beaten by a nation she despises. Yesterday (March 12) I heard it spoken of as almost a settled thing that there woud be war with England.I felt it dreadfully. In the first place my husband will have to go, and in the second I cannot bear the idea that England should be beaten by Russia, which she most assuredly will. Perhaps I am anxious without reason; after all it may be that an agreement will come about. God grant it! "
This is of course written by Sarah Jane Treweller (nee Hughes) Which shows that by March 1878 she was already married and living in Russia.
Chris Hughes.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 7, 2017 5:53:33 GMT -5
As far as I am aware Olga died in Russia sometime before 1937. I cannot be certain of this and have no further details except that the information is accredited to her brother Nicholas who died in Canada in 1971. Whether Olga was married or not I also do not know at the moment.
Sarah Jane Hughes and Nicholas Trewheler (the elder) were married sometime around 1873 or 1874. Their eldest son was Vladimir born about 1875 - he was killed in the Sea of Japan aboard the 'Oslyabya' during the battle of Tsushima 14th May 1905. The next child was daughter Katherine born in Estonia 11th June 1878. She died at Oyama, British Columbia 23rd March 1954 and is buried in Vernon Cemetery. Anatole was born probably in Russia 27th June 1883 and died at Cape Town, South Africa in April 1956. He married Blanche Mercia Haworth (nee Dodd) at the Register Office at Paddington 1st October 1930. This was her third marriage having first married William Newton at Sheffield, YKS, in 1893 and then William Louis Titley Haworth in Zimbabwe (Southern Rhodesia) about 1912. Olga was the next child and then Elizabeth who was born about 1886. As stated in an earlier post she married Paul Von Veymarn at the Croydon Register Office 29th August 1908. As far as I know she was still living at Calgary, British Columbia in 1939 but I am not sure what happened to her after that. The youngest child was Nicholas born 22nd September 1888. He died at Vernon, British Columbia 20th July 1971 and was also buried at Vernon Cemetery. Nicholas never married.
CT
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Post by nzjohn1 on Jun 24, 2017 6:57:19 GMT -5
Hi CT, Chrisjh, Zibetha
You all have stirred me from hibernation. I see I was last on this site in 2014 and I have no idea what has happened since, except to say that I have lost three of my genealogical family mentors and another possibly soon.
However last week I spent some time trying to finish off a large history of Martha Ann Trewhellar and her husband Dr. Dakers - the walkabout family doctor - and I am already down some strange little paths as, in later years, he tried to keep up with the goldmining rushes here in NZ.
Olga is still a mystery to me. CT - you left out her sister Eugenia who left Oslo before her mother died and emigrated to USA (Cherbourg, France to New York 23/12/1924). Practiced as a doctor but later lost her job in the depression and committed suicide on 30/3/1934. Probably buried in Philadephia. (ex Nezabytye Mogily - Unforgotten Graves: Obituaries of Russians abroad).
Her mother Evgenia Genrihovna Truveler (Sarah Jane Hughes - died 1926) left her St Petersburg apartment probably in 1917 and settled in Christiana, Oslo with her other daughter and son-in-law - Pavel Petrovich von Weymarn - his degree in geology was from Oslo Univ. (but actual dates as a student have yet to be got). They too left, for Canada, some time after mother died.
Thomas Trewheellar was born in London, became a sea captain and came to NZ before 1856. He married his cousin Elizabeth Johns here in NZ. At some time after she died (1882) Thomas left for Sydney and remarried but soon died soon after. I suspect he went with his son Foma (= Thomas in Russian). Foma was married in 1885 in Hamilton NZ and was there visited by his uncle in law Dr Dakers. I suspect Martha and Thomas were close siblings. Martha babysat the younger Johns's in London and spent much time with Elizabeth and her brother Israel here in NZ. I have much detail of his time as a captain and as a landlubber baker.
Thomas Coke Johns is thought not to be a relative, even though Charles Johns (husband of Elisabeth Small Goodson) was a signatory to the registration (April 1836) of Thomas Coke Johns, the printer and had contact with each other through the Boden's.
Cheers
NZJohn1
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 25, 2017 6:37:14 GMT -5
Welcome back NZJohn1! - in recent times there have been at least two occasions where it crossed my mind to get in touch with you but something came up each time and it never happened. But it is good to be in touch again. I'm not sure that I recall any mention of Eugenia and I certainly have not had her entered into my database. However, since first reading this post I have done a little investigating and have found the following items:- 1. her arrival in New York aboard the vessel 'America' in 1924. States destination as Pittsfield, Mass. 2. her Declaration of Intention dated 1925 which she signed as 'Jane Trewheler'. 3. her Petition for Citizenship dated 1931 4. her 1930 Census Record at which time she was living in Manhattan 5. her 1934 Death Certificate What I find most interesting in these records is that Jane/Eugenia states that she was born at NAPLES, Italy 25th October 1884! Jane Trewheler aka Eugenia Trouveller of 2006 N. 12th Pittsburgh died 22nd March 1934. Cause of death was not recorded but the certificate was marked 'Inquest Pending'. Her remains were transported 'via auto' to Ewing Cemetery, Trenton, New Jersey for cremation on 4th April 1934. Of her siblings I know that sister Katherine was buried at what is now known as Pleasant Valley Cemetery, Vernon, BC. Brother Nicholas also died at Vernon in 1971 and I think I have a record somewhere saying that he is buried with Katherine however only Katherine's name appears on the headstone. Paul Von Weymarn died at Vernon as well so it might be a reasonable assumption that his wife Elizabeth could be there too. As for Olga - well all I have on her (apart from her appearance in the UK Census) is that she is supposed to have died sometime before 1937 with that information coming from a letter written by her brother Nicholas. I have been able to find nothing else so far. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 25, 2017 7:38:46 GMT -5
NZJohn1 - I have been trying to read back through some of the earlier posts and have found something that may or may not have been passed on to you. This is in regards to the family of Charles and Elizabeth CLARK who baptized children in Russia using Trewheeler (sic.) as a 2nd forename. You may recall that there were a couple of variations of the story with one stating that Martha Trewheeler and another that Ann Trewheeler married someone named Clark in Russia. From the information I had sourced to Nicholas Trewheler (died Canada 1971) it was Ann who had married Clark but nothing could ever be proved and all we could find in the Russian records were the above Charles and Elizabeth.
One thing I mentioned back then was that there were several gaps in the children of Richard and Martha (nee Snow) Truewheellar. Since that time I have come up with the followinglist of children which I think sheds new light on the problem:-
John son of Richard and Martha Trewheeler bp. 27th March 1785 St Gluvias, Cornwall Martha Tremeling daughter of Richard and Martha Truewheler bp. 27th May 1787 St Gluvias, Cornwall (buried 2nd November 1791 Stoke Dameral, Devon) Ann daughter of Richard and Martha Truwheeler bp. 31st January 1790 Stoke Dameral, Devon Richard Barns son of Richard and Martha Trewheelar bp. 16th June 1793 St Andrews Plymouth, Devon (buried 22nd August 1823 St Etheldreda, Hatfield, Herts.) Martha Tremellan daughter of Richard and Martha Trewheelar bp. 13th March 1795 St Andrews Plymouth, Devon (buried 11th September 1798 St Gluvias, Cornwall) ELIZABETH daughter of Richard and Martha Trewheeler bp. 2nd October 1796 St Andrews Plymouth, Devon <======== Thomas son of Richard and Martha Trewheeler born 3rd January 1799 Stoke Dameral, Devon (buried 6th January 1799 Stoke Dameral, Devon age 3 days) Thomas son of Richard and Martha Trewheellar bp. 23rd March 1800 St Andrews Plymouth, Devon (married Dinah Theresa Goodson) Jane daughter of Richard and Martha WHEELER bp. 5th December 1802 St Mildred's, Canterbury, Kent (Jane daughter of Richard and Martha Truewheeler buried 9th June 1803 St Mildred's, Canterbury, Kent)
Although no marriage has yet been found this now gives us the potential link to Charles Clark and his children. It also leaves us wondering what happened to Ann!
On the last child - Jane:- The baptism record is from Bishops Transcripts for which I have been unable to view an original copy. However I did a check of indexed records and found that this is the only entry for a child of Richard and Martha WHEELER. The coincidence of Jane TRUEWHEELER (daughter of Richard and Martha) being buried in the same place only 7 months later is too much to ignore.
I will try and do a little more on this family later on and advise of any new findings.
CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 25, 2017 16:46:36 GMT -5
NZJohn1 - sneaking back to a post of 20th November 2012 I came across the following:- I can now answer this question! Cornelius TRAVELLER of full age, cabinet maker, bachelor (son of Thomas Traveller, printer) and Ann Atkins, spinster, (daughter of John Atkins, Excise Officer) both of 20 Featherstone St were married by Banns at the Parish Church of St Luke, Middlesex 17th August 1840. Witnesses were Henry Foster, Isabella Foster and Edwd. C. Facey Cornelius also signed his name as 'Traveller' so it appears there is no connection to any of the Trewhella/Trewheler (or other variant) families. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 25, 2017 17:20:00 GMT -5
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 25, 2017 18:07:11 GMT -5
The following items should help pin down approximately when Paul and Elizabeth von Weymarn emigrated.
Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 show that Paul von Weymarn arrived at Halifax, Nova Scotia 7th April 1928 from Oslo, Norway. He was alone and apparently on business with his destination recorded as the Norwegian Consulate at Montreal. His next of kin is recorded as his wife Elizabeth von Weymarn, Jacob Aalsgate 57. Oslo Norway. On 20th April 1930 Paul crossed into the US at Buffalo, NY from Canada stating his previous address as with friend Mrs Menzies at Calgary. (This record is very difficult to read.) On 22nd May 1930 Paul arrived at Southampton from Montreal in transit to Oslo, Norway. He is recorded as a petroleum geologist at this time. On 29th August 1930 Paul departed from Liverpool en route to Montreal arriving at his destination on 6th September. From Montreal he was heading to Calgary, Alberta but the record shows his wife still resident at 57 Jacob Aalsgate Oslo. It is also interesting that his passenger record is stamped 'Admitted, returned Canadian'! On 4th October 1930 Paul crossed into Montana but there is still no indication that Elizabeth had joined him. His nearest relative or friend 'from whence he came' was a Fr. M.C. Frazer at Calgary.
The next record I have found in Ancestry is not until 14th September 1935 when Paul and Elizabeth Von Weymarn departed from Newcastle bound for Montreal. Their last address in the UK is given as Glasgow and both are recorded as being Norwegian subjects.
On 6th July 1939 Paul travelled to Seattle, Washington by which time he and Elizabeth were resident at Calgary.
CT
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Post by nzjohn1 on Jun 26, 2017 0:18:33 GMT -5
Hi CT
Paul von Weymarn.
Rose through the ranks in the Russian navy. (have details but poor translation) He was in Oslo attached to the Russian Consulate apparently under a joint agreement associated with coal exploration in the Arctic. Dismissed from that position on 24/1/1918, but he refused to recognise the new Russian Government so stayed. Entered University and competed a Masters Degree in Geology. Remained in Oslo with a private exploration company. Went to Canada several times - as you have noted. Paul and Elizabeth subsequently emigrated and arrived in Quebec on "Duchess of Athol" 20/9/1935, and lived in Calgary. Retired 1949 to Oyama BC. ?died 8/1975? Don't know what happened to the one son. NZjohn1
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 26, 2017 2:50:25 GMT -5
Hi NZJohn1 - that last 1935 record I quoted was for the 'Duchess of Atholl' which I had suspected was likely to have been their emigration.
I have not been able to find anything about son George either but Paul von Weymarn/Veymarn died at Vernon BC 25th May 1975. (Ancestry Source - British Columbia Death Registrations, 1872-1986)
I have not yet found any details on the death or burial of Elizabeth but I do have someone looking. I was searching for those details and came across a site for Cemeteries around Vernon and decided to contact them to see if they had anything in their records. I contacted the Cemetery Committee for Pleasant Valley Cemetery (orig. Vernon Municipal Cemetery) and had a reply within a few hours.
Katherine Trewheler (1878-1954) and her brother Nicholas (1888-1971) are both buried in the same plot in Pleasant Valley Cemetery - Section E, Block 21NEW, Plot 41.
The von Weymarns are not buried in this cemetery but my contact has said she will see if any obituaries can be found. If so then she will send them to me.
Meantime, I might take another look around later tonight to see if I can dig out anything else that might help.
CT
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