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Post by nzjohn1 on Nov 23, 2012 3:49:55 GMT -5
Hi CT
Re replies #141, 142
1841 census John Bowden 11 Haberdashers Street needle manuf. etc Thomas Traveller.
The 1841 Electoral Register has
Boden, John Atkin 11 Haberdashers Street, Tower Hamlets.
I now have no doubt that this is John Acton Boden, and gives me much hope that there is enough variation in spellings in those days (no different today) that T. Traveller is indeed T. Trewheeller.
Cheers
NZJohn1
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 23, 2012 7:43:55 GMT -5
NZJohn1 - I agree that it certainly looks very promising but I am not 100% convinced. John Acton Boden had a daughter Eliza baptised in 1821 but I have no birthdate for her and her baptism was three years after her parents were married. Although she appears to be a match for the Eliza in the 1841 Census the lack of birthdate along with no knowledge on my part of any older children leaves doubts in my mind. The other concern is that TRAVELLER is/was a legitimate surname and there were quite a number of families of that name around London. Again, the age of Thomas Traveller is a very near match for what we know of Thomas Trewheeller .................... but! CT
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Post by nzjohn1 on Dec 4, 2012 4:23:23 GMT -5
Hi Ct
Eliza Ann is the second child of JAB, first is Eliza bpt 1820.
Cheers
NZJohn1
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 4, 2012 10:38:43 GMT -5
I had no knowledge of the first Eliza. Do you have details of the date and place of baptism? CT
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Post by sltak on Jun 9, 2013 7:53:09 GMT -5
Hi I have just read your thread in which you are looking for Capt. Thomas Trewheellar. There is heaps of information on this guy, among other vessels he had, was the Moutoa which he owned in partnership with J T Johns. I am a descendant of the Johns family. My ancestor is Israel Johns who was in partnership with T Trewheellar, in Nelson, as a pastry cook and confectioner. I would be happy to continue the conversation off line.
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Post by bmcfar on Jun 27, 2013 20:44:01 GMT -5
Hello, don't know if I can be of help, but I stumbled upon this thread and forum whilst doing a bit of genealogical research myself. I was trying to find out about any Tsarist connections the Tscheremissinof family had. First of all, I am a great grandson of Nita von Kügelgen - Martha's sister, and had been connecting the dots between her and their great great grandfather (Franz) Gerhard von Kügelgen. Upon asking my mum to verify some details, she pulled out a photocopy of Nita's Ahnentafel, which she hadn't had time to study. I've scanned previous posts and I think you'll know most of this already. Also, the writing on this thing is really scruffy and unintelligible in places, which doesn't help. Nita and Martha von Kügelgen's mother was Anna Tscheremissinof, born in St Petersburg 15th February 1875. Her father, Peter Tscheremissinof, was born in [something I can't read] Kutsk 1st February 1836. Her mother, Anna Trewheeler, born 22nd November 1842 (no place of birth given). This Anna Trewheeler's father, William Trewheeler, has his lifespan written down as 1799-1859 on this sheet, which seeems to be incoherent - and shorter - than the years some of you have given. The Mother of Anna Trewheeler is put down here as Maria Kosljaninof NZJohn1 et al - just goes to show that if you keep on plugging away something interesting will turn up! I just found the following request on a Russian Genealogy Forum:- "Request to anyone who can make happy employees Kiev museum of Russian art information on family Truveller. The museum is kept watercolour portrait of the daughters of Vasily Ivanovich Truvellera and Maria Vladimirovna Truveller nee Kozlyaninovoy - Anna (15 years) and Sophia (11 years). On the reverse side of the portrait the inscription indicating that it was made by the artist Litovchenko AD (1835-1890) in 1856 in Manor Petrovo Borovichsky county Novgorod province. Some information about Vasily Ivanovich, Maria Vladimirovna Truveller (Kozlyaninovoy) to find success. There is information, and their son - Vladimir Truvellere. But of the daughters could not find anything. On the Internet, there are references to the literature on the history of the estate Petrova and its owners, but in Kiev it is difficult to find. I would be grateful for any information about Truvellerah. Natalia Ageeva." Reading this suggests to me that the mother of Martha von Kugelgen was the Anna mentioned about (born about 1841) in which case William Trewheeler was the grandfather of Martha and not Anna as suggested in the 'Baltic Odyssey'. CT The Anna born in 1841 is definitely Martha's grandmother. In 1856 she would have turned 15, and her daughter - Martha's Mother - Anna, was not born until 1875. Okay, I've read further on and I see you corrected yourself already. Anyway, what I've noticed is you keep on going on about this Nadia, of whom I have no idea. I don't see any trace of a Nadia between William and Martha - are you sure she's not a separate daughter from Anna Trewheeller? Also, I am sure Vera is Neither Anna Trewheeller or Tscheremissinof. It is most likely, as I see it, that she's a daughter of this Anna Wolfe/Woolf you've mentioned, as she doesn't show up on the Ahnentafel for Nita (therefore, nor would she for Martha). Did William Trewheeller have a daughter with another woman aside from Maria? To be perfectly honest, I signed up hoping to contribute based on my great grandmother's Ahnentafel - if not to shed new light, to verify what you have already found yourselves. I hope I've managed in the latter. As for myself, well, I've learnt something new from you so thanks... I guess. See, my mum's parents were from Europe - Germany and the Netherlands. And it's her dad, from Germany, whose mum is Nita - Martha's sister. They emigrated to Aberdeen, where my mum was born, and she married a Scot and they had me. So as you can imagine, I'm recovering from the shock of finding out I'm 1/64th English, and through the most unlikely series of emigrations.
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Post by nzjohn1 on Jun 28, 2013 4:45:21 GMT -5
Hi all,
Welcome bmcfar to the wonderful intricacies of the Trewheellar/Truveller families, their forebears and offspring. Reading between the lines your family has kept up their migratory habits - in this line you have distant relatives in many parts of the world- Russia, Canada and NZ. I am very pleased to see that you are of Nita's line, for I have no information on Nita or Else but some on their siblings Martha and Werner.
Nadia is the daughter of William Trewheellar's first wife (he had three), but she is still a real enigma for we can find no records. "Vera" is from a single real record in the newspaper of the day - perhaps it is an unofficial family name for Anna.
I do have a record of another Tscheremissinoff in the Russian bureacracy. I will find it among my notes somewhere.
NZJohn1
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Post by bmcfar on Jun 28, 2013 9:18:29 GMT -5
Hello and thanks NZJohn1 for the welcome. Martha was the only of Nita's siblings that I knew of beforehand (of course, we have a copy of A Baltic Odyssey too, although I admit I haven't actually sat down to read it properly yet). The Ahnentafel noted that Anna Tscheremissinoff had 1 son and 3 daughters - thanks for naming the two I didn't yet know of. For the time being, we may be left in the dark on Else, but I can fill you in on details of Nita to an extent. For years, I had heard a vague recounting that upon the October Revolution, Nita and her family had sought refuge in Japan. The Estonian wikipedia entry for their father et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_von_K%C3%BCgelgen confirms that they did spend time in Japan, but left significantly earlier than expected, in 1916. From what I can find out, there was no talk of revolution until December 1916, so what caused the move to Japan is a mystery to me. Anyone else able to shed some light on this? It goes on to say that he became chief doctor at Seewald mental hospital - it doesn't mention which Seewald, but I'm assuming it's the German Seewald on 3 counts: 1) Why would they return to Estonia if they were at risk? 2) It is noted that he died in Munich. 3) Moving to Germany would explain how Nita ended up in Germany and married to two successive Germans. Nita's first marriage was to Werner Otto von Hentig - A German diplomat, and a man whose wikipedia page is unfortunately scant on family details due details being almost completely sourced from a book on the Holocaust written by a Nora Levin - which details how he negotiated the emigration of "a thousand Jewish boys and girls" to Palestine, at great risk to his own life. Nita and Werner had 2 children together - Helga and Hartmut von Hentig. There's substantial information on Hartmut on the internet, albeit mostly in German, mainly centred around his career as an "influential educationalist and writer". He's still alive and in touch with our family, and will turn 90 in a little over 2 years. I don't know much about Helga, apart from that she lives somewhere near Hamburg, is a dour and strict person, and that her husband was a medical professional who my mum was very close to (my mum is a GP), and she (my mum) referred to him as Onkel Bär (Uncle Bear). He died fairly recently. By 1932, Nita's marriage to Werner had ended, and both went on to re-marry and each have plenty more children. Hartmut and Helga have more half siblings than most people have cousins. This really is where genealogy through digging up old records ends, and I'd be best asking my mum to give me more information as I'm sure all of Nita's children through her second marriage are still alive and in touch with the family, but I'm really not the person to ask - my mum and her sisters are far more knowledgeable.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 28, 2013 9:30:53 GMT -5
And Welcome from me also. When I saw your post I contacted NZJohn1 to ask him to reply first given he is more familiar with the Trewheler family in Russia and New Zealand. I have much of the information but have not yet updated everything properly in my database so from that perspective it was also much better that NZJohn1 become your first contact. When it comes to the family back in Cornwall and England that is my domain and I will be able to help you with most of the information you might be interested in. I am sure these discussions will become more interesting and more productive. CT
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Post by bmcfar on Jun 28, 2013 9:56:48 GMT -5
Actually, that's a good point CT, whereabouts in England did William, his family/parents and the family name of Trewheler come from? The 10+ previous pages were quite a hefty read and at the time I was looking for details of the family in Russia, so may have overlooked that bit. This may seem like a bit of a silly question considering you've already mentioned Cornwall, I just wanted to double check. The Cornish people still consider themselves Cornish and not English, and this far back in history there will have been a substantial number of Cornish speakers too.
I'm mainly asking this because as a Scot raised in Yorkshire, a family history based in either Cornwall or Yorkshire would be a lot easier to swallow than say, a family history based in London or Lancashire - and as I scanned through, I saw a mention of Lancashire.
Edit: Okay I've figured that bit out myself. Should have taken note of the name of the Board, Penwith, haha. How about William's mother?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 28, 2013 11:12:35 GMT -5
Well, as I have mentioned I still have not updated my database with all the Russian information but if I have your William placed correctly then he was the son of John Trewheellar who I believe married Anna Berg. Not sure where or exactly when that marriage occurred but it would have been sometime before 1808.
William Frederick Trewheellar was born at Gillingham, Kent, 23rd June 1808 and baptised St Mary Magdalene, Gillingham 17th July that same year. Two other brothers were also born in England - Richard born Woolwich 8th November 1810 and John Coulter born Woolwich 23rd March 1813 - and sometime probably around 1814/15 the family moved to Russia.
John Trewheellar was born at St Gluvias, Cornwall, and was baptised there 27th March 1785 son of Richard Truewheeler and Martha (nee Snow) who married at St Gluvias 24th July 1784. Also born at St Gluvias was a sister, Ann, before the family moved into Devon. Most of the remaining seven known children were born in Devon and by 1803 they were in Kent where daughter Jane died in 1803. Richard also died in Kent and was buried at St Mildred, Canterbury, Kent 17th March 1803. Martha died at Bloomsbury, London in 1821.
Prior to St Gluvias the family was at Kenwyn and prior to that at Camborne where currently the line ends. I have some theories on where the family fits after that but I still have a bit of work to do before I can be at all sure. Unfortunately I have found nothing prior to a marriage in 1686 that might prove any of these theories.
CT
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Post by bmcfar on Jun 28, 2013 14:03:17 GMT -5
That's all very helpful, thanks.
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Post by nzjohn1 on Jun 28, 2013 19:34:34 GMT -5
Hi The frost lies outside and there's not a cloud in the sky - a fabulous Canterbury morning for not going outside yet. I've had my coffee so hopefully I can think straight. Ernst Otto Gerhard von Kugelgen was the chief psychiatrist at the Seewald Hospital near Tallinn, Estonia. The family was exiled and travelled across Russia and China to Japan. I believe there is a book about the exile. I know nothing of his time between 1918 and 1939, when, like many families of German extraction he was repatriated to Poland under the Ribbentrop accord with Russia. The family went to Poznan/Posen and he practised there until the Red Army approached. As a refugee he managed to get to Munich. At some time Nita and Else were sent to and educated in Germany and remained there. Martha's early education was in Estonia and later went to Germany to teach and marry. I know of two children of Werner, but nothing of his education and life. see also ernestvr.smugmug.com/Travel/London-Latvia-Estonia-Trip/day-13-Seewald-Estonia/1817222_R7zm9N#!i=90754106&k=ktNBtqk Cheers NZJohn1
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Post by bmcfar on Jun 29, 2013 3:38:42 GMT -5
Thanks again nzjohn,
I should have read the wiki page more thoroughly as it indeed says that he worked at Seewald between 1900-1915 (placing it in Estonia), before being sent into exile. As for the gap between 1918-1938, it says he worked at Seewald again.
My confusion stems from the dates associated with Nita's travels being a lot earlier. Her first son, Hartmut, was born in Posen in 1925. Shortly after the divorce of her first marriage in 1932, she had the first son of her second - Christoph-Andreas (my grandfather), in Berlin. Not long after that (certainly before 1938), they moved to Munich.
If the Estionian wiki page is to be believed, Ernst stayed in Seewald all of this time. Perhaps he felt a certain obligation to remain there, having been the chief doctor from its opening (apart from his time in exile), but I'd rather find a more credible source, and google isn't turning anything up. I could always ask my grandfather if he remembers anything of his grandfather.
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Post by bmcfar on Jun 29, 2013 9:56:38 GMT -5
NZJohn1, I don't know if this will interest you or not (it may be more helpful to myself than anyone else here), But Nita wrote a biography under the title Zauberkraft Erinnerung: Biographische Skizzen einer Baltin As you can probably guess, it's written in German... I wish I had studied German further in school now. I was tricked into taking French instead.
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