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Post by calswimmer on Aug 25, 2007 17:24:47 GMT -5
Hi Cornish Terrier: Just back from a few days at the beach. I don't really know much about Matthew Trewhella--just what I find on the internet... .the draft registration card is from 1917, under Trewella. Matthew's job at the time is "Teamster." He says he is 24. There were some other Matthew Trewhellas from other states. The 1890 census listing I saw was just as I wrote it up. It was not on an actual census. I gather the Cornwall immigrants in that area of PA, where the family lived before Oregon, were likely coal miners.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 26, 2007 13:36:39 GMT -5
Thanks Calswimmer. I think I probably have copies of most of those Draft Records but that has not really been the problem. The main problem has been the origins of Joseph Trewhella whom I originally placed as a son of Matthew and Julia Trewhella. From the original information I received regarding his marriage it seemed most logical that he was the brother of Ann Trewhella. There were two Curnow siblings who married in 1863 and 1867 and each to a Trewhella with both events occurring in Connecticut. It seemed logical at the time that Joseph and Ann Trewhella where siblings and had married the siblings Matthew and Elizabeth Curnow. Seems now that my initial interpretation of events may have been incorrect. The siblings Curnow now seem to have each married a Trewhella from completely different families. If you come up with anything else that might help it would surely be appreciated. Another quick check for messages then it is time for food and watch a movie before bed. This afternoon's shift at work promises to be 'hell' given our Football team are now out of the Finals and tomorrow becomes what is known here among footy teams as 'Mad Monday'. Think I will quote Linda Ronstadt (and Everly Brothers?) again:- POOR, POOR, PITIFUL ME!
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Post by calswimmer on Aug 26, 2007 22:29:25 GMT -5
Have you noticed the Oregon Berriman girls in the 1890 census in Cornwall? Wonder if they knew the Trewhellas.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 27, 2007 9:19:50 GMT -5
- More information please. I was unaware of them but presume you mean they were Berriman girls born in Oregon but back in Cornwall in 1901. Have lost my connection to Ancestry so am not able to check the Census Records properly for the time being. Would appreciate any further information and will try and check it out.
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Post by calswimmer on Aug 27, 2007 14:13:06 GMT -5
I saw them (Mary Jackson Berryman and Mabel Berryman, both born in Oregon), in the 1890 census. A lot of years for Cornwall have been transcribed and it is all free access (Cornwall Online Census Project).
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Post by calswimmer on Aug 27, 2007 14:29:25 GMT -5
From looking at the 1880 census in Jackson County, Oregon, it looks like Thomas Berryman married his sister-in-law Jane, and that the two girls (9 and 7 in 1890) are their children. Thomas worked in the mine. In 1890 in Cornwall he was a farmer.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 28, 2007 8:52:02 GMT -5
Thank you again Calswimmer. I now have my link to Ancestry.co.uk restored and have just looked at the 1891 Census entry for Thomas Berrymah. He was born at Zennor and Jane at Gulval so I will be taking a bit more of a look at this. I think it likely Thomas was the son of Arthur Berrryman and Ann (nee Mann) who were farming at Bosporthennis at one time. Might need to have this transferred to a Berryman Thread if it continues to develop.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 28, 2007 10:12:57 GMT -5
A Question. What information is there that suggests Thomas Berryman's wife, Jane, had been his sister-in-law. Was she possibly the widow of Thomas' brother Arthur? Both Arthur and Thomas are missing from the 1871 UK Census. But the 1901 Census for Zennor is interesting:- Ponion, Zennor Thomas Berryman, head, marr., 64, retired farmer, Zennor Jane Berryman, wife, marr., 54, Gulval ANNIE Berryman, daur., single, 33, Zennor Mabel Berryman, daur., single, 17, cashier (draper's), America (British Subject) So Thomas appears to have had a daughter ANNIE born at Zennor about 1878. Was ANNIE perhaps a daughter from a previous marriage as there would be about 13 or 14 years difference between her birth and that of Mary Jackson Berryman. Will be very interested to hear anything further you can tell me on this and then I think we will move the conversation to a more appropriate thread. BTW - it is now almost certain that Thomas was the son of Arthur BERRYMAN and Ann (nee MANN).
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Post by calswimmer on Aug 28, 2007 16:33:57 GMT -5
Hi! I agree, Arthur looks to be the father, a farmer in Bosphorthenis. Where is that? And where does it get its name? The reason I thought Jane is the sister-in-law of Thomas is that that is the relationship stated in the 1880 census. I didn't know about Annie. Yes, I suppose all this should be in a Berriman thread. Although who knows where it will all connect.
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Post by calswimmer on Aug 28, 2007 18:14:50 GMT -5
And in the 1880 census, Thomas has a 15-year old niece, Hanna.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 29, 2007 9:26:11 GMT -5
Bosporthennis is in Zennor Parish and lays approximately WSW of Zennor Churchown. To the North is Porthmear and then The Gurnard's Head and to the South is the Parish boundary with Gulval. It is actually a farm or small hamlet. From "1,000 Cornish Place-Names Explained" - Julyan Holmes BOSPORTHENNIS - Bos-porth-enys - Dwelling at the entrance to the isolated place AS for Thomas and Jane - the 'sister-in-law' bit seems a little strange just now. And then we also have 15-year-old neice Hanna in 1880 - was she a daughter of Arthur?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 29, 2007 9:37:08 GMT -5
Was Hanna listed as a Berryman or did she have a different surname in 1880? I just checked the 1881 Census:- Bosporthennis, Zennor Arthur Berryman, head, UNM, 49, tin miner, Zennor Nanny Berryman, mother, widow, 78, Zennor Samuel Mann, boarder, 12, scholar, Zennor So Arthur (b/o Thomas) was still unmarried in 1881. Would appreciate it if you could post me the exact details from the 1880 Census as things are becoming a little confused here.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 29, 2007 10:37:14 GMT -5
Uh-Oh! - just found an error in my posting regarding Annie d/o Thomas Berryman. If she was 33 in 1901 then her birth would have been about 1867/8 - not 1878 as I stated. I cannot, so far, find a marriage for Thomas Berryman which is a little frustrating. However I think I can probably identify the death of his father, Arthur, from the Online Death Index:- Arthur Berryman, age 75, Penzance R.D. vol. 5c pg. 179 Ann Berryman, age 86, Penzance R.D. vol. 5c pg. 195 I think Ann was probably the wife of Arthur That is about it for now.
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Post by calswimmer on Aug 29, 2007 11:11:54 GMT -5
Here is the census item as it appears on familyhistory: Thos. BERRYMAN Self S Male W 44 ENG Works In Mines ENG ENG Jane BERRYMAN SisterL W Female W 34 ENG Keeping House ENG ENG Hanna BERRYMAN Niece S Female W 15 ENG Assist Housekeeping ENG ENG
I also saw the scan on Ancestry.com and sister-in-law is written out in full. Possibly Annie and Hanna are the same person.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 29, 2007 13:13:25 GMT -5
This is becoming more and more interesting/confusing. I have copies of blank US Census Forms on my desk - somewhere - but cannot locate them right now so will have to try and rely on memory. My reading of this is that Thomas was Single in 1880, Jane was Widowed and Hanna was Single. All three were White and born England with both parents of each born England. Now we have, what is commonly called, 'a Dilemma'. If Thomas was 'single' in 1880 then ANNIE was not his daughter (at least not born to him) and the ages of Annie and Hanna are close enough to suggest the possibility they may be the same person. The big problem is - just who was 'sister-in-law' Jane. I have found Arthur (brother of Thomas) in the 1881 Census living with his mother and unmarried - so he appears out of the equation. And the only other siblings I know of for Thomas were sisters Ann and Mary. Did Thomas and Arthur have another brother who, for some reason, did not appear in any UK Census record with his parents or is there something else here we are missing. Think I had better give up for the night. Time for tucker and a film before heading off to bed, I think. Might look at this again tomorrow - so long as I don't get asked to work on yet another night off again.
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