Trevarthen

[gamo16]

Hi everyone,
Just joined the forum. I live in Wales but my connections are with the St Ives families - Trevarthen, Gyles, Paul, Paynter and Harry (so far). I can't believe how lucky those of us with Cornish ancestors are - there is so much on the web for us.
I am trying to find out where the Trevarthens of St Ives originally came from (I have the transcriptions of the marriage 1607 - 1837 and baptism 1730-1840 parish records but there are only a few Trevarthens on both, so I'm assuming they came from another area). My Cornish line going back is my 2x g grandmother Grace Trevarthen b.1856 St Ives, dau. of Edward Trevarthen b.1810 St Ives, son of Edward Trevarthen b.1781 St Ives, son of Edward Trevarthen who I know nothing more about other than he was married to Mary Paynter of St Ives.
I have been reading a bit of history about the Trevarthens going back to the 1200's and I would love to find my connection. Cornish Terrier has been really helpful on the New Members section but I have now moved the discussion here. Any help would be most appreciated.

[davidkingmartin]

Hi,gamo16,
You probably have this info.:
Mary Paynter 25 Mar.1751 St.Ives, wife of Edward. She has two siblings, Joanne and James.
NB I have not "checked" this data with Parish records.
David.

[Cornish Terrier]

Welcome to St Ives Gamo16!

I have just had a look at some possibilities for Edward Trevarthen and beyond and it certainly looks more and more like he was the one baptised at St Erth in 1753 s/o Henry.

It also appears probable that Henry was baptised at Sithney 14th August 1722 son of another Henry.

Now there is only one family group of the Trevarthen name at Sithney and it is this Henry who appears to have married 'Mary' at Crowan in 1721.

There are no other Trevarthens (or variants) baptised at Sithney between 1666 and 1812 except for one base born child in 1740.

Also IGI shows only five Edward Trevarthens although I know there is at least one missing from St Ives.
But the earliest is your Edward of 1753 so I would be inclined to think the name was derived from the maternal line.

So considering the possibility your line goes back to Henry born at Sithney in 1722 then his father appears most likely to have been the Henry born at Crowan in 1694 son of Robert.

This can be only conjecture at the moment given we already know there are entries not yet included in IGI. This means that a trawl through available PRs will have to be undertaken.

I do have quite a bit of stuff here and we may be able to access other information via the OPCs.

But right now we run into a problem as IGI does not show a baptism for a Robert Trevarthen any closer than about 60 years before the baptism of son Henry.

There are references however to the name Robert back to about 1215 at Crowan although the source of that information is unknown and merely 'appears' in IGI.

Probably the best thing to do would be to ensure our links back to Robert or, if it should take another line, to whoever it is we can accurately trace back to.

I will try and have another play around with this tomorrow and see how much I can piece together but right now I have a few other things to get out of the way.

CT

[Sarch]

Hi gamo16

I have lots of Paynters from St Ives area, not connected to anyone else and would love to connect the dots.

Sarch

[Sarch]

Oh just taking a quick look see and your Mary Paynter is the daughter of John Paynter and Mary Nance I posted a tree of theirs yesterday I think on the Leddra page.


Descendants of John Paynter

1 John Paynter
.. +Margaret Cock m: 06 Jun 1715 in Lelant, Cornwall
..... 2 John Paynter b: 1724 in St Ives Cornwall d: 1786 in St Ives, Cornwall, England
......... +Mary Nance b: 1728 in St Ives Cornwall, England m: 01 Jan 1746/47 in St Ives, Cornwall, England
............ 3 John Paynter b: 25 Mar 1749 in St Ives Cornwall, England d: 1749 in St Ives Cornwall, England
............ 3 Mary Paynter b: 25 Mar 1751 in St Ives Cornwall, England
................ +Edward Trevarthen m: 05 Nov 1780 in St Ives, Cornwall, England
............ 3 John Paynter b: 15 Jul 1753 in St Ives Cornwall, England
................ +Elizabeth Nance m: 27 Dec 1781 in St Ives, Cornwall, England
............ 3 Joanna Paynter b: Abt. 1755 in St Ives Cornwall, England d: 1794 in St Ives Cornwall, England
................ +John Quick m: 24 Aug 1779 in St Ives, Cornwall, England
............ 3 Elizabeth Paynter b: 29 Jun 1757 in St Ives Cornwall, England
................ +Charles Richards b: Abt. 1762 in St Ives Cornwall m: 15 May 1787 in St Ives, Cornwall
............ 3 James Henry Paynter b: 13 Feb 1763 in St Ives Cornwall, England
................ +Prudence Thomas b: 10 Jan 1773 m: 29 May 1796 in St Ives, Cornwall, England
..... 2 Eleanor Paynter b: 1725 in St Ives, Cornwall, England d: 1779
......... +Richard Leddra b: 1726 d: 1811 m: 02 Feb 1750/51 in St Ives, Cornwall, England
............ 3 Mary Leddra b: 1760 in St Ives, Cornwall, England
................ +Nicholas Wallis b: 1760 in Madron, Cornwall, England d: 1829 in St Ives, Cornwall, England m: 19 Feb 1786 in St Ives, Cornwall, England
............ 3 Honor Leddra b: 1758 in St Ives, Cornwall, England
................ +Paul Curnow b: 1757 in Ludgvan, Cornwall d: 1794 in At sea m: 1789


Sarch

[gamo16]

Wow!!! I can't believe how amazing you all are. I've got so much info to get stuck into that I fear my family won't get fed or my house cleaned for weeks. I might even have to give up work! Thanks everyone.

[Sarch]

Hi gamo 16

A little dust never killed anyone yet - not that I have hear of anyway.

I myself am thinking of getting one of those robot vacuum cleaners. ;D

Sarch

[Cornish Terrier]

That's what this place is all about - furthering our own research and helping others with theirs.

I love to help but I also love to help others to be able to help themselves and you seem to be doing just fine.

Keep the discussions going and let us know when you find something or when you run into another problem and eventually I am sure you will arrive at some positive conclusions.

And make sure you have fun while you are doing it.

[snydly]

Hi gamo16;

I have a fair number of Trevarthens in my family tree most from St. Ives and St Erth ... I will try to detail some of them later in the week to see if any join up with your information.

;D

[gamo16]

Thanks Snydly. I'm sure there will be a link somewhere.

[snydly]

Ok here is the earliest family I have in my tree and I have not found out who the parents are yet:

William Trevarthen married Ann Thomas April 19, 1783 - St Erth
Children: (all born in St Erth)
Elizabeth June 13, 1784
Ann January 28, 1787
William April 5, 1789
Mary November 27 1791
Grace November 10, 1793
Jennifer February 13, 1796
John March 3, 1799 - 1864(my direct Relation)
Saley December 11, 1803


I have only researched on child John at the moment:
John Trevarthen (1799 - 1864) married Ann Yates(Yeats)(1803-?) - October 3 1824 in Phillack
Children:
John edit: baptised 6th March 1825 at Phillack
Emily 1827-1831
William Henry Oct 3 1829-1892 (My direct Relation)
Jane Emily 1834 -
Josiah 1836 -
Grace 1838 -
Eliza Ann 1841 -
Thomas Y 1841 -
Charles Frederick 1845 -


William Henry Trevarthen Oct 3 1829 - 1892
married Selina Polkinghorne (1836-1924) St Erth March 26, 1853
Children:
John Henry Aug 20, 1854 (My Direct Relation)
William C June 17, 1858
Harriet Jan 7, 1860
William Henry May 14 1862
Selina April 1, 1870
Thomas Polkinghorne June 3 1872
Grace Emily Jan 20, 1875
Alma March 13, 1877

I will post John Henry and Children tommorrow

[Cornish Terrier]

A small addition for you:-

John s/o John and Ann (Yeats) TREVARTHEN of Hallankene baptised 6th March 1825 at Phillack.

CT

[Cornish Terrier]

Hmmm - looks like we might have the resurrection of another recent problem here!

You show that William Henry TREVARTHEN (m. Selina Polkinghorne) was the son of JOHN and Ann.

BUT .........

Two separate transcripts of the St Erth PRs for this marriage show William Henry's father recorded as WILLIAM!

I suspect that you are correct and that this is a repetition of a problem discussed recently in the Quick forum.

Do you have some form of evidence or documentation to verify John as the father of William Henry?? (e.g. a Will?)

[snydly]

I got my information from this OPC entry:

Baptisms - Details of record ID 716965:
Parish: Erth, St.
Date: 03-Oct 1829

Name: William Henry TREVARTHEN
Sex:
Parents: John Ann
Residence: St. Erth
Father's rank/profession: miner

Register Notes:

Transcriber Notes:
Transcriber: Darcel Kornichuk

I hope this helps clear up the issue CT

Thanks

[Cornish Terrier]

Thanks - but I already also have that information.

Problem is that there is the possibility there were two men named William Henry Trevarthen with one being son of John and the other son of William.

I personally believe we are dealing with just the one William Henry but the information produced for the Marriage record states the father as William and must therefore be checked thoroughly.

As with the similar problem in the Quick family we had two men named John Jenkyn Quick with one being son of George and the other son of William.

The marriage certificate (and I have seen a copy) clearly states the groom's father as George.

Evidence from the naming of children suggested the parents should have been William Quick and Elizabeth Curnow. (A daughter named Elizabeth Curnow Quick for example)

In this case it was a death certificate that provided enough evidence to prove the details of the marriage certificate to have been incorrect.

If there was a second William Henry Trevarthen then there would also be a birth record for him - and neither birth certificate would prove which of the two was the groom in question.

Also - it is quite rare for information on a death certificate in the UK to be so useful in proving which of two men may have married a certain woman.

In the case of John Jenkyn Quick he was 18 when he died.

We need to find something else to prove William Henry was acctually the son of John and Ann OR we need to be able to eliminate the possibility of a second man of that name.

CT