Renold vs. Rondall?

[Zenobia]

I keep mulling over this one...

In very early records, could the surname Renold and Rondal be the same?

The 1559 Subsidy for Gwithian (kindly provided me by Mark) shows only three names of persons with enough valuation in goods or lands to be listed. Two of these names are Jacobus Cock and Laurencius Renold.

A Lawrence Renolde is buried at Gwithian in 1562.

In 1571 at Gwithian is the following marriage entry:

"Jenkin son of James Cocke & Agnes daughter of Lawrens Rondall"

This Lawrence Rondall also called himself Lawrence Tolsethan (that being the name of his landholding). Besides the daughter Agnes, he also had a daughter Margery who married Henry Cock, a daughter Mary who married Henry Ellis and a son John, who called himself variously John Rondall and John Lawrence.

There is no burial of a Lawrence Rondal found at Gwithian.

Given the listing of the two names on the subsidy, I am wondering if Lawrence Rondal and Lawrence Renold could be the same person?

The surname Renold is obviously a patronymic, and one other person with that surname does appear at Gwithian, a Davy Renold with two children b. in 1581 and 1585 (neither are named Lawrence).

Could "Rondal" be a garbling of Renold?

Or, how dyslexic were Gwithianers...?

[marktrengove]

I think you can make out a good case that these are one and the same!

Among the Trengoves I have seen various spellings for 'Reginald' - Rennell, Renald, Rennald, Ronnell and Ronall.

I go 100% with your observations!

[Zenobia]

Thanks Mark. I always assumed Rondall was a corruption of Randall, and that it was a patronymic. Randall is from Randolph, but neither is a common given name in Cornwall.

In medieval times Randolphus and Ranulphus (Ralph) were often interchanged, so I would not be surprized to see Renold (which is a common 16th & 17th century name in Cornwall) be corrupted to Randall/Rondall.

I am not 100% convinced of the identity, but I think it looks pretty plausible.

[clockdoc]

I have a Margery Rondall married to Henry Cock 14 Nov 1562 in Gwithian. Her Father was listed as Lewrans Rondall

[Cornish Terrier]

Looks to be the same family so, once again, please keep posting until Zenobia is back and we can pursue matters from their.

I presume you have other queries and that you have posted them in the appropriate sections so I will try to catch up with you there and see what I can do to help more immediately.

Ian

[Isambard]

admin said:

Thanks Mark. I always assumed Rondall was a corruption of Randall, and that it was a patronymic. Randall is from Randolph, but neither is a common given name in Cornwall.

In medieval times Randolphus and Ranulphus (Ralph) were often interchanged, so I would not be surprized to see Renold (which is a common 16th & 17th century name in Cornwall) be corrupted to Randall/Rondall.

I am not 100% convinced of the identity, but I think it looks pretty plausible.

And how about Rundle as another variant? I have Thomas Rundle b. abt 1720 Truro, married to Rachel Crossman b. 30 Nov 1724, 29 May 1748 Truro.

Their daughter was Mary Randall b. abt 1746 Truro. Mary Randall married John Dunstan b. abt 1744, 6 Feb 1775 Truro.

Mary Randall Dunstan and Susanna Randall Dunstan were granddaughters.

Tom (Randall Thomas)

[Cornish Terrier]

Do not forget 'Radolphus' as a variation of 'Ralph' as seen in a number of records.

I agree that Rondall (var.), Randall and Rundle 'could' be possibly linked but these are names that have continued on and will, therefore, require more meticulous research to define clear lineages.

It may be that Wills and other documents may be required but it may also be possible to limit expense via other resources until something is found that may warrant the expense that may be needed.